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Attributes | |
ACN | 174078 |
Time | |
Date | 199103 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : tul |
State Reference | OK |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 29000 msl bound upper : 29000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 174078 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 1800 |
ASRS Report | 173932 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 18000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
We were given a descent from FL310 to FL280 by ZFW. At about FL295, we were given a hectic, 'turn right 90 degrees,' while another 'turn right 90 degrees' was issued to another aircraft. Traffic calls to both of us were made along with a, 'hurry to FL280' call to us. I observed air carrier Y climbing on an almost reciprocal heading rolling into a right turn. We appeared to pass co-altitude with about 3 mi sep. The controller voices seemed to vary as if from 2 different people. A supervisor probably discovered a controller error. No evasive action was initiated other than a 30 degrees angle of bank turn to the right as ordered by the controller. Pilot error did not appear to be a contributing factor in this incident. I cannot comment on the controller side of the incident. I also would not classify this as a near miss.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LESS THAN STANDARD SEPARATION BETWEEN 2 ACR'S. OPERATIONAL ERROR.
Narrative: WE WERE GIVEN A DSNT FROM FL310 TO FL280 BY ZFW. AT ABOUT FL295, WE WERE GIVEN A HECTIC, 'TURN RIGHT 90 DEGS,' WHILE ANOTHER 'TURN RIGHT 90 DEGS' WAS ISSUED TO ANOTHER ACFT. TFC CALLS TO BOTH OF US WERE MADE ALONG WITH A, 'HURRY TO FL280' CALL TO US. I OBSERVED ACR Y CLBING ON AN ALMOST RECIPROCAL HDG ROLLING INTO A RIGHT TURN. WE APPEARED TO PASS CO-ALT WITH ABOUT 3 MI SEP. THE CTLR VOICES SEEMED TO VARY AS IF FROM 2 DIFFERENT PEOPLE. A SUPVR PROBABLY DISCOVERED A CTLR ERROR. NO EVASIVE ACTION WAS INITIATED OTHER THAN A 30 DEGS ANGLE OF BANK TURN TO THE RIGHT AS ORDERED BY THE CTLR. PLT ERROR DID NOT APPEAR TO BE A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR IN THIS INCIDENT. I CANNOT COMMENT ON THE CTLR SIDE OF THE INCIDENT. I ALSO WOULD NOT CLASSIFY THIS AS A NEAR MISS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.