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Attributes | |
ACN | 174577 |
Time | |
Date | 199103 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : buj airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw tower : ord |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival star : star enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 11100 flight time type : 4200 |
ASRS Report | 174577 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On initial contact with dfw approach over blue ridge VOR, the controller issued us several instructions, including a turn to a heading when reaching holts fix on the blue ridge 2 arrival. He also told us to expect a visibility approach to runway 31 at dfw. The instructions were given so quickly that the copilot and I had to refer to the arrival plate and confer with each other to make sure that we had heard the instructions correctly. The controller was extremely busy and had talked to several other aircraft before we had a chance to read back the instructions he had given us. We did not read back the, 'expect visibility to runway 31.' we were subsequently turned over to the final controller, who vectored us to about a 12-15 mi final to runway 31. He asked us if we had the stadium in sight and cleared us for a stadium visibility approach. Having previously reviewed the approach plates, and not having been a visibility plate, I asked him, 'what's that?' the controller informed us that we had been told to expect the approach 15 mi back, that it was a published approach that we should have, and to maintain 3000' until past love field, I thought that since it was published, that I had just overlooked it and told the controller we would find it. By the time the copilot and I had confirmed that we did not have the plate, the controller had turned us over to tower as we were approaching the stadium. We told tower that we did not have the approach plate and he cleared us for a visibility approach. Several factors led to this situation: 1) our company did not provide us with the needed visibility approach plate. 2) the initial approach controller was so busy and talking so fast and given so many instructions at once that either he neglected to stated 'stadium: visibility, or we were unable to copy it and read it back. 3) the final controller could have provided information sufficient for the approach instead of admonishing us for not having it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CONFUSION FOR ACR MLG FLT CREW CLEARED FOR AN APCH FOR WHICH THEIR COMPANY HAS NOT ISSUED A CHART.
Narrative: ON INITIAL CONTACT WITH DFW APCH OVER BLUE RIDGE VOR, THE CTLR ISSUED US SEVERAL INSTRUCTIONS, INCLUDING A TURN TO A HDG WHEN REACHING HOLTS FIX ON THE BLUE RIDGE 2 ARR. HE ALSO TOLD US TO EXPECT A VIS APCH TO RWY 31 AT DFW. THE INSTRUCTIONS WERE GIVEN SO QUICKLY THAT THE COPLT AND I HAD TO REFER TO THE ARR PLATE AND CONFER WITH EACH OTHER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD HEARD THE INSTRUCTIONS CORRECTLY. THE CTLR WAS EXTREMELY BUSY AND HAD TALKED TO SEVERAL OTHER ACFT BEFORE WE HAD A CHANCE TO READ BACK THE INSTRUCTIONS HE HAD GIVEN US. WE DID NOT READ BACK THE, 'EXPECT VIS TO RWY 31.' WE WERE SUBSEQUENTLY TURNED OVER TO THE FINAL CTLR, WHO VECTORED US TO ABOUT A 12-15 MI FINAL TO RWY 31. HE ASKED US IF WE HAD THE STADIUM IN SIGHT AND CLRED US FOR A STADIUM VIS APCH. HAVING PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED THE APCH PLATES, AND NOT HAVING BEEN A VIS PLATE, I ASKED HIM, 'WHAT'S THAT?' THE CTLR INFORMED US THAT WE HAD BEEN TOLD TO EXPECT THE APCH 15 MI BACK, THAT IT WAS A PUBLISHED APCH THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, AND TO MAINTAIN 3000' UNTIL PAST LOVE FIELD, I THOUGHT THAT SINCE IT WAS PUBLISHED, THAT I HAD JUST OVERLOOKED IT AND TOLD THE CTLR WE WOULD FIND IT. BY THE TIME THE COPLT AND I HAD CONFIRMED THAT WE DID NOT HAVE THE PLATE, THE CTLR HAD TURNED US OVER TO TWR AS WE WERE APCHING THE STADIUM. WE TOLD TWR THAT WE DID NOT HAVE THE APCH PLATE AND HE CLRED US FOR A VIS APCH. SEVERAL FACTORS LED TO THIS SITUATION: 1) OUR COMPANY DID NOT PROVIDE US WITH THE NEEDED VIS APCH PLATE. 2) THE INITIAL APCH CTLR WAS SO BUSY AND TALKING SO FAST AND GIVEN SO MANY INSTRUCTIONS AT ONCE THAT EITHER HE NEGLECTED TO STATED 'STADIUM: VIS, OR WE WERE UNABLE TO COPY IT AND READ IT BACK. 3) THE FINAL CTLR COULD HAVE PROVIDED INFO SUFFICIENT FOR THE APCH INSTEAD OF ADMONISHING US FOR NOT HAVING IT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.