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Instructor and student on instrument training flight experience transponder failure and run afoul of ATC on return flight.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 176740 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199104 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : fmy |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 2500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : rsw |
| Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff ground : preflight other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 900 flight time type : 60 |
| ASRS Report | 176740 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : private |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 37 flight time total : 223 flight time type : 17 |
| ASRS Report | 177342 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
After fxe departure climbing through 6000', mia ATC said transponder reporting 500' error and requested altitude mode be turned off. They asked if we would be returning to mia tonight. We said yes. They told us we would need a waiver to return and gave us the phone # to call for the waiver. Upon arrival at ft myers page field, we (my student, I supervised) called FSS and explained our situation. Requested they call mia and fmy and pbi--all arsa's--for waivers for our return to home base for repairs. Initially mia said no. 30 mins later, mia agreed and we were given a waiver #. I believe that because mia was such a problem, the FSS man forgot to get the others. We assumed we only needed 1 waiver # and proceeded to leave fmy. Fmy departure was very upset and informed us we did not have a waiver to depart their arsa. We explained we had requested one and thought we had obtained one. We asked fmy to contact pbi to assist us in obtaining one there if we did not have one. He refused to even check with pbi. Before we got to the pbi arsa, we asked mia to amend our flight plan to avoid the pbi arsa, which they did. Next time, which I hope there isn't, I will call each facility myself.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT ON INSTRUMENT TRAINING FLT EXPERIENCE TRANSPONDER FAILURE AND RUN AFOUL OF ATC ON RETURN FLT.
Narrative: AFTER FXE DEP CLBING THROUGH 6000', MIA ATC SAID XPONDER RPTING 500' ERROR AND REQUESTED ALT MODE BE TURNED OFF. THEY ASKED IF WE WOULD BE RETURNING TO MIA TONIGHT. WE SAID YES. THEY TOLD US WE WOULD NEED A WAIVER TO RETURN AND GAVE US THE PHONE # TO CALL FOR THE WAIVER. UPON ARR AT FT MYERS PAGE FIELD, WE (MY STUDENT, I SUPERVISED) CALLED FSS AND EXPLAINED OUR SITUATION. REQUESTED THEY CALL MIA AND FMY AND PBI--ALL ARSA'S--FOR WAIVERS FOR OUR RETURN TO HOME BASE FOR REPAIRS. INITIALLY MIA SAID NO. 30 MINS LATER, MIA AGREED AND WE WERE GIVEN A WAIVER #. I BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE MIA WAS SUCH A PROB, THE FSS MAN FORGOT TO GET THE OTHERS. WE ASSUMED WE ONLY NEEDED 1 WAIVER # AND PROCEEDED TO LEAVE FMY. FMY DEP WAS VERY UPSET AND INFORMED US WE DID NOT HAVE A WAIVER TO DEPART THEIR ARSA. WE EXPLAINED WE HAD REQUESTED ONE AND THOUGHT WE HAD OBTAINED ONE. WE ASKED FMY TO CONTACT PBI TO ASSIST US IN OBTAINING ONE THERE IF WE DID NOT HAVE ONE. HE REFUSED TO EVEN CHK WITH PBI. BEFORE WE GOT TO THE PBI ARSA, WE ASKED MIA TO AMEND OUR FLT PLAN TO AVOID THE PBI ARSA, WHICH THEY DID. NEXT TIME, WHICH I HOPE THERE ISN'T, I WILL CALL EACH FAC MYSELF.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.