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Attributes | |
ACN | 177004 |
Time | |
Date | 199104 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 4500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ord |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 185 flight time total : 16200 flight time type : 185 |
ASRS Report | 177004 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : undershoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On approach to ord, we were being vectored (230 degree heading) for a 14L localizer approach. Descending through 4500', we received a TCAS RA which called for, 'reduce descent,' with the green arc just above and below level flight. I leveled off and in just a couple of seconds got a 'clear of conflict' message. Just a few seconds later we got a TA followed by another RA calling for a climb. As I advanced the throttles, approach control called, giving us a vector back toward the localizer (120 degree heading). The first officer responded that we were getting a TCAS RA and the approach controller told us to ignore the TCAS. We entered the turn per his instructions and continued in to land. If the approach controller had tried calling us earlier, his transmission was covered by the loud TCAS warning. It put us in quite a dilemma with TCAS telling us to do 1 thing and the controller telling us to do another. All 3 TCAS aural messages occurred in less than 1 min.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR PIC DEVIATES FROM ATC ALT CLRNC ON SIGNALS RECEIVED FROM TCASII.
Narrative: ON APCH TO ORD, WE WERE BEING VECTORED (230 DEG HDG) FOR A 14L LOC APCH. DSNDING THROUGH 4500', WE RECEIVED A TCAS RA WHICH CALLED FOR, 'REDUCE DSNT,' WITH THE GREEN ARC JUST ABOVE AND BELOW LEVEL FLT. I LEVELED OFF AND IN JUST A COUPLE OF SECS GOT A 'CLR OF CONFLICT' MESSAGE. JUST A FEW SECS LATER WE GOT A TA FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER RA CALLING FOR A CLB. AS I ADVANCED THE THROTTLES, APCH CTL CALLED, GIVING US A VECTOR BACK TOWARD THE LOC (120 DEG HDG). THE F/O RESPONDED THAT WE WERE GETTING A TCAS RA AND THE APCH CTLR TOLD US TO IGNORE THE TCAS. WE ENTERED THE TURN PER HIS INSTRUCTIONS AND CONTINUED IN TO LAND. IF THE APCH CTLR HAD TRIED CALLING US EARLIER, HIS XMISSION WAS COVERED BY THE LOUD TCAS WARNING. IT PUT US IN QUITE A DILEMMA WITH TCAS TELLING US TO DO 1 THING AND THE CTLR TELLING US TO DO ANOTHER. ALL 3 TCAS AURAL MESSAGES OCCURRED IN LESS THAN 1 MIN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.