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Attributes | |
ACN | 184104 |
Time | |
Date | 199107 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cak |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : cak tower : abq |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute airway : cak |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 184104 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 184408 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 200 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
While being vectored to cak airport for a visual approach, approach control gave us a descent clearance to 3000 ft MSL. He subsequently reclred us to stop at 7000 ft and called VFR traffic crossing right to left at 6500 ft. We were level at 7000 ft for approximately 2 mins when we saw the previously called traffic approximately 200 ft off our right wing and 100 ft below crossing 90 degree to our path right to left. I asked the controller about the aircraft and he said his transponder now indicated 6900 ft but he had not noticed because he was busy doing something else. We did not see the traffic until we did because of haze and our workload. Ironically if the controller had not stopped our descent at 7000 ft we would have been thousands of ft below the 6500/6900 ft traffic. It would seem to me once ATC issued an altitude/vector for separation (even from VFR traffic) they should assume responsibility to continue to provide separation but that is not the case in an IFR and VFR traffic situation. See and be seen.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF CPR MDT ACFT HAD NMAC WITH SMA ON APCH TO CAK.
Narrative: WHILE BEING VECTORED TO CAK ARPT FOR A VISUAL APCH, APCH CTL GAVE US A DSCNT CLRNC TO 3000 FT MSL. HE SUBSEQUENTLY RECLRED US TO STOP AT 7000 FT AND CALLED VFR TFC XING R TO L AT 6500 FT. WE WERE LEVEL AT 7000 FT FOR APPROX 2 MINS WHEN WE SAW THE PREVIOUSLY CALLED TFC APPROX 200 FT OFF OUR R WING AND 100 FT BELOW XING 90 DEG TO OUR PATH R TO L. I ASKED THE CTLR ABOUT THE ACFT AND HE SAID HIS TRANSPONDER NOW INDICATED 6900 FT BUT HE HAD NOT NOTICED BECAUSE HE WAS BUSY DOING SOMETHING ELSE. WE DID NOT SEE THE TFC UNTIL WE DID BECAUSE OF HAZE AND OUR WORKLOAD. IRONICALLY IF THE CTLR HAD NOT STOPPED OUR DSCNT AT 7000 FT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN THOUSANDS OF FT BELOW THE 6500/6900 FT TFC. IT WOULD SEEM TO ME ONCE ATC ISSUED AN ALT/VECTOR FOR SEPARATION (EVEN FROM VFR TFC) THEY SHOULD ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SEPARATION BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE IN AN IFR AND VFR TFC SITUATION. SEE AND BE SEEN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.