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Attributes | |
ACN | 184191 |
Time | |
Date | 199107 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : omn |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 18000 msl bound upper : 24000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 650 |
ASRS Report | 184191 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 2500 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 184190 |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited adverse environment none taken : anomaly accepted other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flight was from atl to dab via J45 to omn then dab. There was an area of heavy thunderstorms west of craig and also to the southeast. On WX radar it appeared that J45 would be open south of craig with only minor deviations. However, when we got to craig we were not able to proceed on J45 due to the WX. We asked jax center if we could continue on to the southeast to get around the line of thunderstorms and were told we could. This was at FL240. As we were deviating we asked for and were given a descent in an attempt to get under the WX. At about this time we were also told to go no further than the omn 360 degree radial due to an active warning area. We were unable to comply with this restriction due to the WX extending further south than we expected. We were forced to continue on which took us into the warning area. We squawked 7700 and were then low enough to proceed direct to omn. If we had been advised the warning area was only 'hot' to FL230 we could have stayed at that altitude and continued our deviation. Instead we were advised of the 360 degree radial restriction well into our deviation and descent but due to our proximity to the WX we were already committed to our southeast deviation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF MLG AT FL240 HEMMED IN BY TSTM HAD TO ENTER WARNING AREA TO AVOID THE TSTM, SQUAWKED 7700 AND PROCEEDED WHILE DSNDING PER CLRNC. LATER WAS ADVISED THEY WOULD HAVE AVOIDED THE HOT AREA HAD THEY STAYED AT FL240.
Narrative: FLT WAS FROM ATL TO DAB VIA J45 TO OMN THEN DAB. THERE WAS AN AREA OF HVY TSTMS W OF CRAIG AND ALSO TO THE SE. ON WX RADAR IT APPEARED THAT J45 WOULD BE OPEN S OF CRAIG WITH ONLY MINOR DEVS. HOWEVER, WHEN WE GOT TO CRAIG WE WERE NOT ABLE TO PROCEED ON J45 DUE TO THE WX. WE ASKED JAX CENTER IF WE COULD CONTINUE ON TO THE SE TO GET AROUND THE LINE OF TSTMS AND WERE TOLD WE COULD. THIS WAS AT FL240. AS WE WERE DEVIATING WE ASKED FOR AND WERE GIVEN A DSCNT IN AN ATTEMPT TO GET UNDER THE WX. AT ABOUT THIS TIME WE WERE ALSO TOLD TO GO NO FURTHER THAN THE OMN 360 DEG RADIAL DUE TO AN ACTIVE WARNING AREA. WE WERE UNABLE TO COMPLY WITH THIS RESTRICTION DUE TO THE WX EXTENDING FURTHER S THAN WE EXPECTED. WE WERE FORCED TO CONTINUE ON WHICH TOOK US INTO THE WARNING AREA. WE SQUAWKED 7700 AND WERE THEN LOW ENOUGH TO PROCEED DIRECT TO OMN. IF WE HAD BEEN ADVISED THE WARNING AREA WAS ONLY 'HOT' TO FL230 WE COULD HAVE STAYED AT THAT ALT AND CONTINUED OUR DEV. INSTEAD WE WERE ADVISED OF THE 360 DEG RADIAL RESTRICTION WELL INTO OUR DEV AND DSCNT BUT DUE TO OUR PROX TO THE WX WE WERE ALREADY COMMITTED TO OUR SE DEV.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.