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Flight crew of medium large transport climbing out of hvn had traffic conflict with small aircraft light aircraft flying overhead.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 186396 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199107 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : hvn |
| State Reference | CT |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure other enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 870 |
| ASRS Report | 186396 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
New york center issued heading of 230 degree climb from 4000 to 8000. Passing 5000 first officer observed a light aircraft at 2:30-3 O'clock. As we climbed the light aircraft passed directly overhead. First officer grabbed the controls but no evasive action was required. New york center at the same time was describing an small transport at 2 O'clock. The light was not observed on new york radar! Departures from hvn should be given a climb to higher altitudes immediately after takeoff to get out of light aircraft traffic. We usually have to level off at 2000 ft, get several turns, climb to 4000 ft, get several turns then step to 17000 eastbound. There is a real need to limit number of ATC frequency changes for this departure to maximize outside vigilance! Small aircraft light aircraft should be required to have transponders due to their low profile! A near miss report was filed with new york center, our aircraft was being controled through autoflt system to maximize outside vigilance at time of incident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF MLG CLBING OUT OF HVN HAD TFC CONFLICT WITH SMA LIGHT ACFT FLYING OVERHEAD.
Narrative: NEW YORK CENTER ISSUED HDG OF 230 DEG CLB FROM 4000 TO 8000. PASSING 5000 FO OBSERVED A LIGHT ACFT AT 2:30-3 O'CLOCK. AS WE CLBED THE LIGHT ACFT PASSED DIRECTLY OVERHEAD. FO GRABBED THE CTLS BUT NO EVASIVE ACTION WAS REQUIRED. NEW YORK CENTER AT THE SAME TIME WAS DESCRIBING AN SMT AT 2 O'CLOCK. THE LIGHT WAS NOT OBSERVED ON NEW YORK RADAR! DEPS FROM HVN SHOULD BE GIVEN A CLB TO HIGHER ALTS IMMEDIATELY AFTER TKOF TO GET OUT OF LIGHT ACFT TFC. WE USUALLY HAVE TO LEVEL OFF AT 2000 FT, GET SEVERAL TURNS, CLB TO 4000 FT, GET SEVERAL TURNS THEN STEP TO 17000 EBOUND. THERE IS A REAL NEED TO LIMIT NUMBER OF ATC FREQ CHANGES FOR THIS DEP TO MAXIMIZE OUTSIDE VIGILANCE! SMA LIGHT ACFT SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE TRANSPONDERS DUE TO THEIR LOW PROFILE! A NEAR MISS RPT WAS FILED WITH NEW YORK CENTER, OUR ACFT WAS BEING CTLED THROUGH AUTOFLT SYS TO MAXIMIZE OUTSIDE VIGILANCE AT TIME OF INCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.