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Attributes | |
ACN | 186681 |
Time | |
Date | 199108 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : iah |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 125 flight time total : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 186681 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 5500 |
ASRS Report | 187151 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
The inbound crew prior to us wrote up the continuous ignition (low energy) system as 'popping' the circuit breaker on #1 engine during takeoff. Maintenance could not repair the system due to a lack of appropriate components. Maintenance then MEL'ed the system using a MEL that in our opinion pertains to a different type of continuous ignition system. The maintenance man stated that they checked their publications and that the flight side of the ignition system could be used but would require a write up at our next stop. (Later investigation by flight crew uncovered a 2 min or 3 min off/2 min on 23 min off limit so system is usable. However, when flying to newark with hurricane off the coast somehow 4 min of ignition doesn't seem to be a big cushion! Corrective action: fleet type aircraft for all. Rewrite MEL to specifications. Deal with this specific system alternate use. Enhance limitation section to include use of the name flight ignition vice high energy system to ensure crews are aware of the specific system limitation. Have parts for all possible system at your headquarters and hub domicile, especially iah where all maintenance is managed.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR LGT FLEW A LEG WITHOUT COMPLYING WITH MEL REQUIREMENT.
Narrative: THE INBOUND CREW PRIOR TO US WROTE UP THE CONTINUOUS IGNITION (LOW ENERGY) SYS AS 'POPPING' THE CIRCUIT BREAKER ON #1 ENG DURING TKOF. MAINT COULD NOT REPAIR THE SYS DUE TO A LACK OF APPROPRIATE COMPONENTS. MAINT THEN MEL'ED THE SYS USING A MEL THAT IN OUR OPINION PERTAINS TO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF CONTINUOUS IGNITION SYS. THE MAINT MAN STATED THAT THEY CHKED THEIR PUBLICATIONS AND THAT THE FLT SIDE OF THE IGNITION SYS COULD BE USED BUT WOULD REQUIRE A WRITE UP AT OUR NEXT STOP. (LATER INVESTIGATION BY FLC UNCOVERED A 2 MIN OR 3 MIN OFF/2 MIN ON 23 MIN OFF LIMIT SO SYS IS USABLE. HOWEVER, WHEN FLYING TO NEWARK WITH HURRICANE OFF THE COAST SOMEHOW 4 MIN OF IGNITION DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A BIG CUSHION! CORRECTIVE ACTION: FLEET TYPE ACFT FOR ALL. REWRITE MEL TO SPECS. DEAL WITH THIS SPECIFIC SYS ALTERNATE USE. ENHANCE LIMITATION SECTION TO INCLUDE USE OF THE NAME FLT IGNITION VICE HIGH ENERGY SYS TO ENSURE CREWS ARE AWARE OF THE SPECIFIC SYS LIMITATION. HAVE PARTS FOR ALL POSSIBLE SYS AT YOUR HEADQUARTERS AND HUB DOMICILE, ESPECIALLY IAH WHERE ALL MAINT IS MANAGED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.