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Attributes | |
ACN | 188078 |
Time | |
Date | 199108 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : san |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3600 msl bound upper : 4200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : san |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 11800 flight time type : 4800 |
ASRS Report | 188078 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 202 flight time total : 7900 flight time type : 1600 |
ASRS Report | 188095 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Conditions were VFR and we had been cleared for the san localizer runway 27 approach. Our position was inside vydda. The chart allows a step down to 3600 ft inside vydda, but since the airport was in sight I was not hurrying to reach the min allowable altitudes prescribed by the approach. Our altitude was about 4200 ft, on the localizer when approach gave us traffic at 12 O'clock, radar altitude of 3600 ft. I looked up just in time to see a light plane travel from left to right directly in front of our aircraft. We got a TA from the TCASII about the time the controller alerted us to the traffic. I would estimate that we came as close as 500 ft to the other aircraft. I asked ATC if the plane was under his control and he said that it was not and that was the first time he had seen him. No maneuvering was necessary to avoid the other aircraft. Had the WX conditions been slightly worse I would have been more concerned with reaching the prescribed approach altitudes sooner. There is little doubt in my mind that if we had been at the step down altitude of 3600 ft a catastrophe would have been nearly unavoidable. I spoke with ATC on the telephone after landing in san. He said they tracked the airplane northbound until they lost it on radar. No one to his knowledge was controling the aircraft. He said he would attempt to trace where the aircraft had come from but expressed little hope in identing the pilot. I do not know if this situation is technically a near miss. What concerns me the most was the potential for a disaster had we been at the lowest prescribed altitude of 3600 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR HAS NMAC WITH SMA ON FINAL APCH INSIDE TCA. TCASII RA.
Narrative: CONDITIONS WERE VFR AND WE HAD BEEN CLRED FOR THE SAN LOC RWY 27 APCH. OUR POS WAS INSIDE VYDDA. THE CHART ALLOWS A STEP DOWN TO 3600 FT INSIDE VYDDA, BUT SINCE THE ARPT WAS IN SIGHT I WAS NOT HURRYING TO REACH THE MIN ALLOWABLE ALTS PRESCRIBED BY THE APCH. OUR ALT WAS ABOUT 4200 FT, ON THE LOC WHEN APCH GAVE US TFC AT 12 O'CLOCK, RADAR ALT OF 3600 FT. I LOOKED UP JUST IN TIME TO SEE A LIGHT PLANE TRAVEL FROM L TO R DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF OUR ACFT. WE GOT A TA FROM THE TCASII ABOUT THE TIME THE CTLR ALERTED US TO THE TFC. I WOULD ESTIMATE THAT WE CAME AS CLOSE AS 500 FT TO THE OTHER ACFT. I ASKED ATC IF THE PLANE WAS UNDER HIS CTL AND HE SAID THAT IT WAS NOT AND THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME HE HAD SEEN HIM. NO MANEUVERING WAS NECESSARY TO AVOID THE OTHER ACFT. HAD THE WX CONDITIONS BEEN SLIGHTLY WORSE I WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE CONCERNED WITH REACHING THE PRESCRIBED APCH ALTS SOONER. THERE IS LITTLE DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT IF WE HAD BEEN AT THE STEP DOWN ALT OF 3600 FT A CATASTROPHE WOULD HAVE BEEN NEARLY UNAVOIDABLE. I SPOKE WITH ATC ON THE TELEPHONE AFTER LNDG IN SAN. HE SAID THEY TRACKED THE AIRPLANE NBOUND UNTIL THEY LOST IT ON RADAR. NO ONE TO HIS KNOWLEDGE WAS CTLING THE ACFT. HE SAID HE WOULD ATTEMPT TO TRACE WHERE THE ACFT HAD COME FROM BUT EXPRESSED LITTLE HOPE IN IDENTING THE PLT. I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS SITUATION IS TECHNICALLY A NEAR MISS. WHAT CONCERNS ME THE MOST WAS THE POTENTIAL FOR A DISASTER HAD WE BEEN AT THE LOWEST PRESCRIBED ALT OF 3600 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.