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According to weight manifest air carrier medium large transport made an overweight unauthorized takeoff.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 188373 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199108 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sea |
| State Reference | WA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff ground : holding ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 8180 flight time type : 510 |
| ASRS Report | 188373 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During taxi out for takeoff, we received our load closeout information via radio with ramp personnel. We were advised to come back to the gate to off load 9 people because we were over our maximum weight for takeoff. We did so. This would have put us 1620 pounds over our weight limit using 180 pound/passenger as defined in our company operations bulletin. We refueled, taxied out again only to be told we were again overweight for takeoff. We looked at the numbers they had given us and determined we could safely burn off extra fuel and still be legal in all respects (i.e., reserve, alternate, etc). Rather than going back to the gate and unloading more passenger (3, as I recall) we calculated the numbers ourselves using actual fuel on the gauges, as we had burned a lot during long taxies and holds. We departed without further incident. By our calculations we were approximately 300 pounds under our min takeoff weight at brake release.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACCORDING TO WT MANIFEST ACR MLG MADE AN OVERWT UNAUTHORIZED TKOF.
Narrative: DURING TAXI OUT FOR TKOF, WE RECEIVED OUR LOAD CLOSEOUT INFO VIA RADIO WITH RAMP PERSONNEL. WE WERE ADVISED TO COME BACK TO THE GATE TO OFF LOAD 9 PEOPLE BECAUSE WE WERE OVER OUR MAX WT FOR TKOF. WE DID SO. THIS WOULD HAVE PUT US 1620 POUNDS OVER OUR WT LIMIT USING 180 POUND/PAX AS DEFINED IN OUR COMPANY OPS BULLETIN. WE REFUELED, TAXIED OUT AGAIN ONLY TO BE TOLD WE WERE AGAIN OVERWT FOR TKOF. WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS THEY HAD GIVEN US AND DETERMINED WE COULD SAFELY BURN OFF EXTRA FUEL AND STILL BE LEGAL IN ALL RESPECTS (I.E., RESERVE, ALTERNATE, ETC). RATHER THAN GOING BACK TO THE GATE AND UNLOADING MORE PAX (3, AS I RECALL) WE CALCULATED THE NUMBERS OURSELVES USING ACTUAL FUEL ON THE GAUGES, AS WE HAD BURNED A LOT DURING LONG TAXIES AND HOLDS. WE DEPARTED WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. BY OUR CALCULATIONS WE WERE APPROX 300 POUNDS UNDER OUR MIN TKOF WT AT BRAKE RELEASE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.