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Attributes | |
ACN | 188684 |
Time | |
Date | 199109 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : rbv |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10500 msl bound upper : 11500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny tracon : phl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 1700 |
ASRS Report | 188684 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | unspecified : 1500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During the climb while departing phl en route to bdr. We were receiving VFR advisories from phl departure control. At approximately 9500 ft we were told of an large transport at our 6 O'clock position. At roughly the same time our radar service was terminated. We continued our climb to 11500 ft and contacted ny center on suggested frequency. Before we 'checked in' we heard the large transport check in with ny center and complain he had come very close to another aircraft. The distance he reported was 1/4 mi. We then contacted ny center to request advisories. We felt that the large transport should have been given a vector or at least been told of our position, by the previous controller. (I think washington center). The fact that he was behind us and that there was a very widely scattered cloud layer made it difficult for us to see each other.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLOSE PROX COMMUTER-LTT ACR-LGT IN CLB NEAR RBV VOR SAME DIRECTION.
Narrative: DURING THE CLB WHILE DEPARTING PHL ENRTE TO BDR. WE WERE RECEIVING VFR ADVISORIES FROM PHL DEP CTL. AT APPROX 9500 FT WE WERE TOLD OF AN LGT AT OUR 6 O'CLOCK POS. AT ROUGHLY THE SAME TIME OUR RADAR SVC WAS TERMINATED. WE CONTINUED OUR CLB TO 11500 FT AND CONTACTED NY CENTER ON SUGGESTED FREQ. BEFORE WE 'CHKED IN' WE HEARD THE LGT CHK IN WITH NY CENTER AND COMPLAIN HE HAD COME VERY CLOSE TO ANOTHER ACFT. THE DISTANCE HE RPTED WAS 1/4 MI. WE THEN CONTACTED NY CENTER TO REQUEST ADVISORIES. WE FELT THAT THE LGT SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN A VECTOR OR AT LEAST BEEN TOLD OF OUR POS, BY THE PREVIOUS CTLR. (I THINK WASHINGTON CENTER). THE FACT THAT HE WAS BEHIND US AND THAT THERE WAS A VERY WIDELY SCATTERED CLOUD LAYER MADE IT DIFFICULT FOR US TO SEE EACH OTHER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.