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ATIS broadcast problem multiple runway operation parallel runways multiple approachs. Late approach runway information.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 188995 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199109 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : dfw |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 6600 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw tower : phx |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 8000 |
| ASRS Report | 188995 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
This is a common occurrence at dfw and I do not understand why it is tolerated by the users and condoned by FAA. The ATIS lists an 'expected' runway for arrival aircraft. You are not given an assigned runway until very close to the airport. This can lead to a 'rush job' in providing an adequate approach briefing. In this case, we were at 6000 ft MSL and about 15 mi from the airport when we were told what runway we were landing on. I know of no other airport that does this and I think dfw could be more timely about supplying the necessary information so that good briefings could be done.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ATIS BROADCAST PROBLEM MULTIPLE RWY OP PARALLEL RWYS MULTIPLE APCHS. LATE APCH RWY INFO.
Narrative: THIS IS A COMMON OCCURRENCE AT DFW AND I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS TOLERATED BY THE USERS AND CONDONED BY FAA. THE ATIS LISTS AN 'EXPECTED' RWY FOR ARR ACFT. YOU ARE NOT GIVEN AN ASSIGNED RWY UNTIL VERY CLOSE TO THE ARPT. THIS CAN LEAD TO A 'RUSH JOB' IN PROVIDING AN ADEQUATE APCH BRIEFING. IN THIS CASE, WE WERE AT 6000 FT MSL AND ABOUT 15 MI FROM THE ARPT WHEN WE WERE TOLD WHAT RWY WE WERE LNDG ON. I KNOW OF NO OTHER ARPT THAT DOES THIS AND I THINK DFW COULD BE MORE TIMELY ABOUT SUPPLYING THE NECESSARY INFO SO THAT GOOD BRIEFINGS COULD BE DONE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.