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Runway taxiway intersection departures procedures in handbook 7110 pt 65 sections 7-9 and aim.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 189003 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199109 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : phx |
| State Reference | AZ |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | other personnel other |
| Qualification | controller : non radar |
| ASRS Report | 189003 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I feel closer scrutiny should be given to the procedures outlined in the air traffic controller's handbook 7110.65F and airman's information manual (aim) covering intersection takeoffs. If ATC is required to ensure pilots know when they are departing from an intersection the current paragraph 3-107 'intersection takeoff' in the 7110.65F covering intersection takeoffs is vague in its use. The procedures outlined in both of the above mentioned manuals do not allow for the possibility of a pilot initiating an intersection takeoff while taxiing out for departure and not advising ground or local control, or allow for the possibility of a pilot, who is not familiar with the airport, inadvertently taxiing to an intersection for takeoff. In addition, the 7110.65F does not allow for the possibility of a pilot changing frequency before ground control has a chance to approve or inform him/her of the intersection takeoff he/she initiates purposely or unknowingly. Paragraph 3-107 'intersection takeoff' is also vague as to which controller, local or ground, or both, is/are covered by this procedure since the guidelines are located in a section that is primarily used by local control. I feel paragraph 3-107 should remain as is and should apply specifically to local control and a new paragraph should be written to direct ground control as to how to initiate or approve an intersection departure. I recommend a modification to be made to sections 7 and 9 of the 7110.65F.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RWY TAXIWAY INTXN DEPS PROCS IN HANDBOOK 7110 PT 65 SECTIONS 7-9 AND AIM.
Narrative: I FEEL CLOSER SCRUTINY SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THE PROCS OUTLINED IN THE AIR TFC CTLR'S HANDBOOK 7110.65F AND AIRMAN'S INFO MANUAL (AIM) COVERING INTXN TKOFS. IF ATC IS REQUIRED TO ENSURE PLTS KNOW WHEN THEY ARE DEPARTING FROM AN INTXN THE CURRENT PARAGRAPH 3-107 'INTXN TKOF' IN THE 7110.65F COVERING INTXN TKOFS IS VAGUE IN ITS USE. THE PROCS OUTLINED IN BOTH OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED MANUALS DO NOT ALLOW FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF A PLT INITIATING AN INTXN TKOF WHILE TAXIING OUT FOR DEP AND NOT ADVISING GND OR LCL CTL, OR ALLOW FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF A PLT, WHO IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE ARPT, INADVERTENTLY TAXIING TO AN INTXN FOR TKOF. IN ADDITION, THE 7110.65F DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF A PLT CHANGING FREQ BEFORE GND CTL HAS A CHANCE TO APPROVE OR INFORM HIM/HER OF THE INTXN TKOF HE/SHE INITIATES PURPOSELY OR UNKNOWINGLY. PARAGRAPH 3-107 'INTXN TKOF' IS ALSO VAGUE AS TO WHICH CTLR, LCL OR GND, OR BOTH, IS/ARE COVERED BY THIS PROC SINCE THE GUIDELINES ARE LOCATED IN A SECTION THAT IS PRIMARILY USED BY LCL CTL. I FEEL PARAGRAPH 3-107 SHOULD REMAIN AS IS AND SHOULD APPLY SPECIFICALLY TO LCL CTL AND A NEW PARAGRAPH SHOULD BE WRITTEN TO DIRECT GND CTL AS TO HOW TO INITIATE OR APPROVE AN INTXN DEP. I RECOMMEND A MODIFICATION TO BE MADE TO SECTIONS 7 AND 9 OF THE 7110.65F.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.