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Attributes | |
ACN | 191895 |
Time | |
Date | 199110 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : bsy |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 33000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 7500 |
ASRS Report | 191895 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Mia center refusing to use call sign of aircraft, even though there were 2 airliners on frequency with identical numbers. Air carrier X challenged center on this, and the supervisor removed controller from duty, then same controller came back, still adamantly refusing to use full call sign, only numbers. This on 119.82. Changed to 132.15, ZMA, and controllers there also refused to use call signs, only numbers, even though 2 airliners with same numbers were on frequency. I have written this problem up before as I think it is important. I have known of fatal accidents caused by pilots not receiving proper call signs. ATC is usually the one dropping prefixes, not the pilots, but we are the ones accused of not using proper radio technique.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CTLR NON USE OF SIMILAR CALL SIGN PROC. ATC COM USE OF NUMBERS ONLY.
Narrative: MIA CENTER REFUSING TO USE CALL SIGN OF ACFT, EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE 2 AIRLINERS ON FREQ WITH IDENTICAL NUMBERS. ACR X CHALLENGED CENTER ON THIS, AND THE SUPVR REMOVED CTLR FROM DUTY, THEN SAME CTLR CAME BACK, STILL ADAMANTLY REFUSING TO USE FULL CALL SIGN, ONLY NUMBERS. THIS ON 119.82. CHANGED TO 132.15, ZMA, AND CTLRS THERE ALSO REFUSED TO USE CALL SIGNS, ONLY NUMBERS, EVEN THOUGH 2 AIRLINERS WITH SAME NUMBERS WERE ON FREQ. I HAVE WRITTEN THIS PROBLEM UP BEFORE AS I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT. I HAVE KNOWN OF FATAL ACCIDENTS CAUSED BY PLTS NOT RECEIVING PROPER CALL SIGNS. ATC IS USUALLY THE ONE DROPPING PREFIXES, NOT THE PLTS, BUT WE ARE THE ONES ACCUSED OF NOT USING PROPER RADIO TECHNIQUE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.