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Commuter small transport proceeding as filed by TRACON is challenged for being off track when changed over to ARTCC. Reporter says this is the second time this has happened.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 192348 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199110 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : yxo |
| State Reference | ON |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors enroute airway : v5 enroute airway : v98 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 2600 |
| ASRS Report | 192348 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
| Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Were cleared off runway 15 by london tower, contacted departure/center. Were given heading to 'join V-98, as filed.' this was read back and unchanged. At cruise, controller asked where we were going and what we were doing. We told him where we were and he thought we were on V-5 'as filed'. We told him we were given V-98 by departure/center. He issued a 200 degree heading to join V-5. After landing at dtw, our dispatch called us and asked about our flight and said toronto center had called them and told them to 'get our flight plan straight.' we had no flight plan problem. We were cleared as filed before departure, and then V-98 when we contacted departure/center. This was the point of conflict. We had a similar mix-up into london the evening before (and a very testy controller). It may be coincidence, but I wonder if the ATC strike has anything to do with our problems.?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: COMMUTER SMT PROCEEDING AS FILED BY TRACON IS CHALLENGED FOR BEING OFF TRACK WHEN CHANGED OVER TO ARTCC. RPTR SAYS THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED.
Narrative: WERE CLRED OFF RWY 15 BY LONDON TWR, CONTACTED DEP/CENTER. WERE GIVEN HDG TO 'JOIN V-98, AS FILED.' THIS WAS READ BACK AND UNCHANGED. AT CRUISE, CTLR ASKED WHERE WE WERE GOING AND WHAT WE WERE DOING. WE TOLD HIM WHERE WE WERE AND HE THOUGHT WE WERE ON V-5 'AS FILED'. WE TOLD HIM WE WERE GIVEN V-98 BY DEP/CENTER. HE ISSUED A 200 DEG HDG TO JOIN V-5. AFTER LNDG AT DTW, OUR DISPATCH CALLED US AND ASKED ABOUT OUR FLT AND SAID TORONTO CENTER HAD CALLED THEM AND TOLD THEM TO 'GET OUR FLT PLAN STRAIGHT.' WE HAD NO FLT PLAN PROBLEM. WE WERE CLRED AS FILED BEFORE DEP, AND THEN V-98 WHEN WE CONTACTED DEP/CENTER. THIS WAS THE POINT OF CONFLICT. WE HAD A SIMILAR MIX-UP INTO LONDON THE EVENING BEFORE (AND A VERY TESTY CTLR). IT MAY BE COINCIDENCE, BUT I WONDER IF THE ATC STRIKE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH OUR PROBLEMS.?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.