Air carrier medium large transport track deviation overshot runway centerline on visual approach to runway 24R at lax causing close proximity with light transport on approach to runway 25.

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Attributes
ACN	197363
Time
Date	199112
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lax
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : lax
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	descent other landing other
Route In Use	approach : visual
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng
Flight Phase	descent other landing other
Route In Use	approach : straight in
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 14500 flight time type : 6000
ASRS Report	197363
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other
Consequence	Other
Miss Distance	horizontal : 9000 vertical : 200
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

First officer was flying a charted visual approach to runway 24R at lax. Had the runway in sight turning base but then low scattered clouds drifted across obscuring runway. While attempting to determine proper point at which to turn final, both our attns were outside the cockpit and missed calling the 084 (smo) lead radial on the procedure. Overshot the runway centerline, and observed an small transport on approach to runway 25 complex. Tower became concerned and told us to turn in immediately, which we did. Normal approach and landing 24R made, after regaining visual contact with runway. Charted visual was being used in very MVFR conditions (although legal). Both our attns outside the cockpit trying to regain visual on runway, and missed calling lead radial to start turn. With very low scattered cloud layers, sometimes seeing runway depends on angle of your vantage point.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR MLG TRACK DEV OVERSHOT RWY CENTERLINE ON VISUAL APCH TO RWY 24R AT LAX CAUSING CLOSE PROX WITH LTT ON APCH TO RWY 25.

Narrative: FO WAS FLYING A CHARTED VISUAL APCH TO RWY 24R AT LAX. HAD THE RWY IN SIGHT TURNING BASE BUT THEN LOW SCATTERED CLOUDS DRIFTED ACROSS OBSCURING RWY. WHILE ATTEMPTING TO DETERMINE PROPER POINT AT WHICH TO TURN FINAL, BOTH OUR ATTNS WERE OUTSIDE THE COCKPIT AND MISSED CALLING THE 084 (SMO) LEAD RADIAL ON THE PROC. OVERSHOT THE RWY CENTERLINE, AND OBSERVED AN SMT ON APCH TO RWY 25 COMPLEX. TWR BECAME CONCERNED AND TOLD US TO TURN IN IMMEDIATELY, WHICH WE DID. NORMAL APCH AND LNDG 24R MADE, AFTER REGAINING VISUAL CONTACT WITH RWY. CHARTED VISUAL WAS BEING USED IN VERY MVFR CONDITIONS (ALTHOUGH LEGAL). BOTH OUR ATTNS OUTSIDE THE COCKPIT TRYING TO REGAIN VISUAL ON RWY, AND MISSED CALLING LEAD RADIAL TO START TURN. WITH VERY LOW SCATTERED CLOUD LAYERS, SOMETIMES SEEING RWY DEPENDS ON ANGLE OF YOUR VANTAGE POINT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.