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Attributes | |
ACN | 197536 |
Time | |
Date | 199112 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax tracon : isp |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other landing other |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival : profile descent |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 197536 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Arriving off the runway 24/25 profile descent from fim (VOR) we crossed smo (VOR) descending to 7000 ft. Lax approach asked if we had the field in sight, and from the north at altitude we did. They cleared us for the stadium visual. We complied with the altitude 5000 ft at 3.5 on the smo O68 and 3500 ft 9.0 smo. We saw the stadium and the harbor freeway and turned as depicted. Rolling out of the turn we started looking for the airport. Now it was not visible due to the 600 ft scattered layer along the approach path to runway 24R. We turned 45 degree towards the airport (20 KT tailwind) still looking with the ILS for 24R tuned in and proper inbound course set. As we were looking for the airport we crossed over the ILS final by 5 degree deflection visible on the HSI. I turned right to intercept (20 degree cut). After I turned approach called, said to turn right 20 degree and intercept the localizer 24R. This had already been done. (Suspect possible distant conflict with another aircraft on final to 25.) I intercepted the localizer, tracked it in, did not pick up the field until 900 ft (looking through the clouds) due to the 600 ft scattered layer (WX 600 sct 4H). Overshoot problem due to the inability to see the airport during the visual approach with the 600 ft scattered layer obstructing my view along the approach path.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG OVERSHOT RWY CENTERLINE MAKING A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 24R AT LAX.
Narrative: ARRIVING OFF THE RWY 24/25 PROFILE DSCNT FROM FIM (VOR) WE CROSSED SMO (VOR) DSNDING TO 7000 FT. LAX APCH ASKED IF WE HAD THE FIELD IN SIGHT, AND FROM THE N AT ALT WE DID. THEY CLRED US FOR THE STADIUM VISUAL. WE COMPLIED WITH THE ALT 5000 FT AT 3.5 ON THE SMO O68 AND 3500 FT 9.0 SMO. WE SAW THE STADIUM AND THE HARBOR FREEWAY AND TURNED AS DEPICTED. ROLLING OUT OF THE TURN WE STARTED LOOKING FOR THE ARPT. NOW IT WAS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO THE 600 FT SCATTERED LAYER ALONG THE APCH PATH TO RWY 24R. WE TURNED 45 DEG TOWARDS THE ARPT (20 KT TAILWIND) STILL LOOKING WITH THE ILS FOR 24R TUNED IN AND PROPER INBOUND COURSE SET. AS WE WERE LOOKING FOR THE ARPT WE CROSSED OVER THE ILS FINAL BY 5 DEG DEFLECTION VISIBLE ON THE HSI. I TURNED R TO INTERCEPT (20 DEG CUT). AFTER I TURNED APCH CALLED, SAID TO TURN R 20 DEG AND INTERCEPT THE LOC 24R. THIS HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE. (SUSPECT POSSIBLE DISTANT CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER ACFT ON FINAL TO 25.) I INTERCEPTED THE LOC, TRACKED IT IN, DID NOT PICK UP THE FIELD UNTIL 900 FT (LOOKING THROUGH THE CLOUDS) DUE TO THE 600 FT SCATTERED LAYER (WX 600 SCT 4H). OVERSHOOT PROBLEM DUE TO THE INABILITY TO SEE THE ARPT DURING THE VISUAL APCH WITH THE 600 FT SCATTERED LAYER OBSTRUCTING MY VIEW ALONG THE APCH PATH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.