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Attributes | |
ACN | 197981 |
Time | |
Date | 199112 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : hou |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : hou |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 6000 |
ASRS Report | 197981 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
When hou tower clears you for takeoff they assign a heading to turn to and add the restriction that the turn should be made within 3 mi (DME?) for those of us going to the upper midwest the instruction is always to turn left to 360 degrees. We have to turn left even if that is the longer way around to 360 degrees. Tower makes no mention of the restriction until issuing takeoff clearance, thus the crew has no time to consider whether or not the aircraft can perform the turn within that rather tight limit. It appears to me that it may sometimes be impossible to comply with the restriction, and the problem is made worse by the fact that we have no information other than experience and savvy upon which to base our decision. Hou tower's custom/procedure of not notifying the crew of the restriction until issuing takeoff clearance forces us to make a snap judgement, and that is certainly not the way to make a good, accurate judgement. As I understand the situation, hou tower only controls the airspace out to 3 mi. If an aircraft is going to exceed 3 mi hou must coordinate with another facility.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CAPT CLAIMS HE CANNOT COMPLY WITH TWR CLRNC TO MAKE A TURN OF GREATER THAN 180 DEGS WITHIN 3 NM OF THE ARPT.
Narrative: WHEN HOU TWR CLRS YOU FOR TKOF THEY ASSIGN A HDG TO TURN TO AND ADD THE RESTRICTION THAT THE TURN SHOULD BE MADE WITHIN 3 MI (DME?) FOR THOSE OF US GOING TO THE UPPER MIDWEST THE INSTRUCTION IS ALWAYS TO TURN L TO 360 DEGS. WE HAVE TO TURN L EVEN IF THAT IS THE LONGER WAY AROUND TO 360 DEGS. TWR MAKES NO MENTION OF THE RESTRICTION UNTIL ISSUING TKOF CLRNC, THUS THE CREW HAS NO TIME TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT THE ACFT CAN PERFORM THE TURN WITHIN THAT RATHER TIGHT LIMIT. IT APPEARS TO ME THAT IT MAY SOMETIMES BE IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPLY WITH THE RESTRICTION, AND THE PROBLEM IS MADE WORSE BY THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NO INFO OTHER THAN EXPERIENCE AND SAVVY UPON WHICH TO BASE OUR DECISION. HOU TWR'S CUSTOM/PROC OF NOT NOTIFYING THE CREW OF THE RESTRICTION UNTIL ISSUING TKOF CLRNC FORCES US TO MAKE A SNAP JUDGEMENT, AND THAT IS CERTAINLY NOT THE WAY TO MAKE A GOOD, ACCURATE JUDGEMENT. AS I UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION, HOU TWR ONLY CTLS THE AIRSPACE OUT TO 3 MI. IF AN ACFT IS GOING TO EXCEED 3 MI HOU MUST COORDINATE WITH ANOTHER FACILITY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.