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Attributes | |
ACN | 198125 |
Time | |
Date | 199201 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : aqn |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 11500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 198123 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 198124 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 1000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were on the aqn arrival into dfw approaching creek (aqn 040032) level at 11000 and engines idle slowing to 210 KTS per the STAR. Slowing through 230 KTS as the slats were coming out we got a TCASII TA for 12:30 traffic below us and climbing. The traffic continued to converge. As the engines spooled up and we steadied at 210 KTS the TA went to an RA and TCASII commanded a 1700 FPM climb. I went to maximum thrust and pulled the nose up to establish the commanded rate of climb. Since we had been at a low power setting the engines were slow to respond and the pitch rate at 210 KTS was limited as well. At 11300 ft TCASII gave 'clear of traffic' and I brought the power back and eased the nose over. We topped out at 11500 ft and about 240 KTS (assigned 11000 ft and 210 KTS) and returned to the STAR altitude and speed as quickly as I could smoothly do so. The traffic had leveled off at 10000 (as is normal. Departures go out at 10000, arrs in at 11000). The maneuver was not really necessary but TCASII had no way of knowing he was going to level off so I can't fault the TCASII logic. ATC had not called the traffic and we were VMC/IMC and never acquired the traffic visually. Another consideration is at that speed and confign the TCASII command was close to the limit of the maneuver capability of the aircraft. Had this happened sooner, with the engines still at idle, or if we had been lighter and I had delayed slat extension, we would have been very close to buffet.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG ALTDEV IN RESPONSE TO TCASII RA.
Narrative: WE WERE ON THE AQN ARR INTO DFW APCHING CREEK (AQN 040032) LEVEL AT 11000 AND ENGS IDLE SLOWING TO 210 KTS PER THE STAR. SLOWING THROUGH 230 KTS AS THE SLATS WERE COMING OUT WE GOT A TCASII TA FOR 12:30 TFC BELOW US AND CLBING. THE TFC CONTINUED TO CONVERGE. AS THE ENGS SPOOLED UP AND WE STEADIED AT 210 KTS THE TA WENT TO AN RA AND TCASII COMMANDED A 1700 FPM CLB. I WENT TO MAX THRUST AND PULLED THE NOSE UP TO ESTABLISH THE COMMANDED RATE OF CLB. SINCE WE HAD BEEN AT A LOW PWR SETTING THE ENGS WERE SLOW TO RESPOND AND THE PITCH RATE AT 210 KTS WAS LIMITED AS WELL. AT 11300 FT TCASII GAVE 'CLR OF TFC' AND I BROUGHT THE PWR BACK AND EASED THE NOSE OVER. WE TOPPED OUT AT 11500 FT AND ABOUT 240 KTS (ASSIGNED 11000 FT AND 210 KTS) AND RETURNED TO THE STAR ALT AND SPD AS QUICKLY AS I COULD SMOOTHLY DO SO. THE TFC HAD LEVELED OFF AT 10000 (AS IS NORMAL. DEPS GO OUT AT 10000, ARRS IN AT 11000). THE MANEUVER WAS NOT REALLY NECESSARY BUT TCASII HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING HE WAS GOING TO LEVEL OFF SO I CAN'T FAULT THE TCASII LOGIC. ATC HAD NOT CALLED THE TFC AND WE WERE VMC/IMC AND NEVER ACQUIRED THE TFC VISUALLY. ANOTHER CONSIDERATION IS AT THAT SPD AND CONFIGN THE TCASII COMMAND WAS CLOSE TO THE LIMIT OF THE MANEUVER CAPABILITY OF THE ACFT. HAD THIS HAPPENED SOONER, WITH THE ENGS STILL AT IDLE, OR IF WE HAD BEEN LIGHTER AND I HAD DELAYED SLAT EXTENSION, WE WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY CLOSE TO BUFFET.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.