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Commuter light transport first officer complains an air carrier medium large transport passed too close to them on taxi out at cvg. Commuter flight crew could not decide which way to go and frequency congestion kept them from getting further tower instructions.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 199439 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199201 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : cvg |
| State Reference | OH |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 250 |
| ASRS Report | 199439 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground critical other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 10 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
Cvg was only using runway 27 for both departures and arrs due to strong surface winds, ground visibility was poor due to blowing snow. We were given a taxi clearance from spot X to runway 27 via A3, west, B, J. We were in the area of A3 but unable to decide which taxiway was A3. We stopped and tried to talk to ground. The frequency was very busy so it was some time before we could talk to ground. In the meantime, an medium large transport taxied from spot Y in front of us and turned on A3. His wing tip separation from our nose was less than my captain was happy with. Part of the reason we could not determine which taxiway was A3 was because we did not see any signs marking the taxiway. It is hard to tell A3 from A2 or B.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: COMMUTER LTT FO COMPLAINS AN ACR MLG PASSED TOO CLOSE TO THEM ON TAXI OUT AT CVG. COMMUTER FLC COULD NOT DECIDE WHICH WAY TO GO AND FREQ CONGESTION KEPT THEM FROM GETTING FURTHER TWR INSTRUCTIONS.
Narrative: CVG WAS ONLY USING RWY 27 FOR BOTH DEPS AND ARRS DUE TO STRONG SURFACE WINDS, GND VISIBILITY WAS POOR DUE TO BLOWING SNOW. WE WERE GIVEN A TAXI CLRNC FROM SPOT X TO RWY 27 VIA A3, W, B, J. WE WERE IN THE AREA OF A3 BUT UNABLE TO DECIDE WHICH TAXIWAY WAS A3. WE STOPPED AND TRIED TO TALK TO GND. THE FREQ WAS VERY BUSY SO IT WAS SOME TIME BEFORE WE COULD TALK TO GND. IN THE MEANTIME, AN MLG TAXIED FROM SPOT Y IN FRONT OF US AND TURNED ON A3. HIS WING TIP SEPARATION FROM OUR NOSE WAS LESS THAN MY CAPT WAS HAPPY WITH. PART OF THE REASON WE COULD NOT DETERMINE WHICH TAXIWAY WAS A3 WAS BECAUSE WE DID NOT SEE ANY SIGNS MARKING THE TAXIWAY. IT IS HARD TO TELL A3 FROM A2 OR B.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.