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Attributes | |
ACN | 201258 |
Time | |
Date | 199202 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : orl |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 13000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx tracon : orl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller non radar : 4 controller radar : 1 |
ASRS Report | 201258 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Air carrier X was climbing out of orl approach on a heading to intercept the mcay 2 departure for vqq. Orl was on a north operation. Departures are climbing to 120 at 250 KTS when handoff to center. The palatka 1 MOA, which includes R2906, R2907 and R2910 are in the path of this particular departure route. This MOA extends from the boundary of orl approach and ZJX to the north and is in use daily from 30-130. By the time orl approach had switch the aircraft it was approximately 3 mi south of the MOA boundary out of 110 - 120. It was impossible to top the MOA or turn the aircraft to miss it laterally. As it turned out, no traffic was utilizing the airspace at the time this occurred, however, this is a common problem when on a north operation at orl. There is no procedure to ensure the aircraft on this departure will miss the MOA, i.e. NORDO aircraft, late handoffs, late communication change. The only 'procedure' is to opt the MOA. This puts the controllers involved in a situation that they can be blamed for a deviation error solely because of a procedure. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter stated the aircraft was an air carrier, medium large transport. This procedure has been brought to eh attention of management with no action. Orl is on a no operation several times a week and late handoffs from orl departure control create the airspace violation. Reporter counseled to file the problem in writing to his supervisor.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X UNCOORD UNAUTHORIZED ENTRY. OPDEV. FACILITY PROC CREATES ILLEGAL AIRSPACE ENTRY R2906 R2907 R2910 WHEN ORL ON NO OP. ZJX PROC AIRSPACE PROBLEM.
Narrative: ACR X WAS CLBING OUT OF ORL APCH ON A HDG TO INTERCEPT THE MCAY 2 DEP FOR VQQ. ORL WAS ON A N OP. DEPS ARE CLBING TO 120 AT 250 KTS WHEN HDOF TO CTR. THE PALATKA 1 MOA, WHICH INCLUDES R2906, R2907 AND R2910 ARE IN THE PATH OF THIS PARTICULAR DEP RTE. THIS MOA EXTENDS FROM THE BOUNDARY OF ORL APCH AND ZJX TO THE N AND IS IN USE DAILY FROM 30-130. BY THE TIME ORL APCH HAD SWITCH THE ACFT IT WAS APPROX 3 MI S OF THE MOA BOUNDARY OUT OF 110 - 120. IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO TOP THE MOA OR TURN THE ACFT TO MISS IT LATERALLY. AS IT TURNED OUT, NO TFC WAS UTILIZING THE AIRSPACE AT THE TIME THIS OCCURRED, HOWEVER, THIS IS A COMMON PROBLEM WHEN ON A N OP AT ORL. THERE IS NO PROC TO ENSURE THE ACFT ON THIS DEP WILL MISS THE MOA, I.E. NORDO ACFT, LATE HDOFS, LATE COM CHANGE. THE ONLY 'PROC' IS TO OPT THE MOA. THIS PUTS THE CTLRS INVOLVED IN A SITUATION THAT THEY CAN BE BLAMED FOR A DEV ERROR SOLELY BECAUSE OF A PROC. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR STATED THE ACFT WAS AN ACR, MLG. THIS PROC HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO EH ATTN OF MGMNT WITH NO ACTION. ORL IS ON A NO OP SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK AND LATE HDOFS FROM ORL DEP CTL CREATE THE AIRSPACE VIOLATION. RPTR COUNSELED TO FILE THE PROBLEM IN WRITING TO HIS SUPVR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.