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Attributes | |
ACN | 201856 |
Time | |
Date | 199202 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : hec |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 34300 msl bound upper : 35000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 201856 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 209 flight time total : 7980 flight time type : 525 |
ASRS Report | 201885 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew faa : investigated Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 24000 vertical : 1300 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
I believe that our flight, an large transport, was cleared to descend and maintain fl-330. As we were descending through FL345, los angeles center asked if we were going to maintain FL350 'he showed us low.' we immediately climbed back to FL350 and visually saw an medium large transport type aircraft pass, going the opposite direction. Upon landing at la international airport, I phoned la center as instructed by la center on the VHF radio. I spoke with mr xy and we discussed the situation. I phoned la center approximately 3 hours later that afternoon and found out that a read-out of the center tapes confirmed that we had, in fact, been cleared to FL330. Supplemental information from acn 201855. The low altitude reached was 34300 ft. I said we were cleared to FL330. The center controller said no. We were cleared only to FL350. The medium large transport passed us low to our left at about 3-4 mi. It is clear that there was a mis-communication about what was said, heard or read- back.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: OPERROR OCCURS WHEN ARTCC RADAR CTLR FAILS TO HEAR CLRNC ACKNOWLEDGED WITH AN IMPROPER CTLR INDUCED CLRNC UNCOORD DSCNT TO OCCUPIED ALT IN A POTENTIAL CONFLICT WITH OPPOSITE DIRECTION TFC.
Narrative: I BELIEVE THAT OUR FLT, AN LGT, WAS CLRED TO DSND AND MAINTAIN FL-330. AS WE WERE DSNDING THROUGH FL345, LOS ANGELES CTR ASKED IF WE WERE GOING TO MAINTAIN FL350 'HE SHOWED US LOW.' WE IMMEDIATELY CLBED BACK TO FL350 AND VISUALLY SAW AN MLG TYPE ACFT PASS, GOING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. UPON LNDG AT LA INTL ARPT, I PHONED LA CTR AS INSTRUCTED BY LA CTR ON THE VHF RADIO. I SPOKE WITH MR XY AND WE DISCUSSED THE SITUATION. I PHONED LA CTR APPROX 3 HRS LATER THAT AFTERNOON AND FOUND OUT THAT A READ-OUT OF THE CTR TAPES CONFIRMED THAT WE HAD, IN FACT, BEEN CLRED TO FL330. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 201855. THE LOW ALT REACHED WAS 34300 FT. I SAID WE WERE CLRED TO FL330. THE CTR CTLR SAID NO. WE WERE CLRED ONLY TO FL350. THE MLG PASSED US LOW TO OUR L AT ABOUT 3-4 MI. IT IS CLR THAT THERE WAS A MIS-COM ABOUT WHAT WAS SAID, HEARD OR READ- BACK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.