Near midair collision.

Attributes
ACN	201884
Time
Date	199202
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : sli
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 5000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng
Flight Phase	cruise other
Route In Use	enroute airway : v8
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	enroute : direct
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 1200
ASRS Report	201884
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	conflict : nmac non adherence : clearance non adherence : far
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took evasive action
Consequence	Other
Miss Distance	horizontal : 200 vertical : 50
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation other

Narrative:

We were northeast bound on V.8 approximately 10 mi northeast of sli (seal beach VOR) at 5000. Coast approach called VFR traffic at 4500 ft at our 1 O'clock position, north bound, an small aircraft Y. We reported traffic in sight. ATC called our position to the small aircraft Y and he called us in sight. She then cleared the small aircraft Y for a VFR climb. At this point our separation was 500 ft vertical 1 mi horizontal. The pilot of the small aircraft Y made a climbing left hand turn into our flight path. I had to make a 40 degree right climbing turn to miss him. We reported the near miss and the small aircraft Y pilot stated 'I never reported traffic in sight,' but he did acknowledge our position and did report us in sight. It is this writers opinion that the airspace around small aircraft is complex and overwhelming for VFR pilots. The area is not adequate. We need an extension of the lax TCA to provide separation from VFR aircraft.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: NMAC.

Narrative: WE WERE NE BOUND ON V.8 APPROX 10 MI NE OF SLI (SEAL BEACH VOR) AT 5000. COAST APCH CALLED VFR TFC AT 4500 FT AT OUR 1 O'CLOCK POS, N BOUND, AN SMA Y. WE RPTED TFC IN SIGHT. ATC CALLED OUR POS TO THE SMA Y AND HE CALLED US IN SIGHT. SHE THEN CLRED THE SMA Y FOR A VFR CLB. AT THIS POINT OUR SEPARATION WAS 500 FT VERT 1 MI HORIZ. THE PLT OF THE SMA Y MADE A CLBING L HAND TURN INTO OUR FLT PATH. I HAD TO MAKE A 40 DEG R CLBING TURN TO MISS HIM. WE RPTED THE NEAR MISS AND THE SMA Y PLT STATED 'I NEVER RPTED TFC IN SIGHT,' BUT HE DID ACKNOWLEDGE OUR POS AND DID RPT US IN SIGHT. IT IS THIS WRITERS OPINION THAT THE AIRSPACE AROUND SMA IS COMPLEX AND OVERWHELMING FOR VFR PLTS. THE AREA IS NOT ADEQUATE. WE NEED AN EXTENSION OF THE LAX TCA TO PROVIDE SEPARATION FROM VFR ACFT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.