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Attributes | |
ACN | 203730 |
Time | |
Date | 199202 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mia |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mia |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other ground : parked |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 203730 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 10000 vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Air carrier X 40 mi northeast of the mia airport at 10000 ft at 250 KTS. Shortly after being slowed to 250 KTS the controller issued a clearance to immediately descend to 10000 ft and turn left to 090 degrees. Already being at 10000 ft I questioned the clearance to verify that it was for our aircraft. The controller then came back and issued an immediate turn to 090 degrees and to descend to 9000 ft. The first officer then started the descent and 090 degree turn as cleared. In the meantime air carrier Y, from another carrier, was approaching us from our 4 O'clock position and gaining on our aircraft rather quickly. Air carrier Y was converging on us and descending through our altitude. The controller realizing this ordered air carrier Y to stop his descent and climb back to 11000. By making the 090 degree turn and the first officer having a visual on the target the conflict was resolved without further incident. My feeling is that the air traffic controller misjudged the closure rate of the 2 aircraft due to the differences of the speed in which we were traveling.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR Y HAD LTSS FROM ACR X. SYS ERROR.
Narrative: ACR X 40 MI NE OF THE MIA ARPT AT 10000 FT AT 250 KTS. SHORTLY AFTER BEING SLOWED TO 250 KTS THE CTLR ISSUED A CLRNC TO IMMEDIATELY DSND TO 10000 FT AND TURN L TO 090 DEGS. ALREADY BEING AT 10000 FT I QUESTIONED THE CLRNC TO VERIFY THAT IT WAS FOR OUR ACFT. THE CTLR THEN CAME BACK AND ISSUED AN IMMEDIATE TURN TO 090 DEGS AND TO DSND TO 9000 FT. THE FO THEN STARTED THE DSCNT AND 090 DEG TURN AS CLRED. IN THE MEANTIME ACR Y, FROM ANOTHER CARRIER, WAS APCHING US FROM OUR 4 O'CLOCK POS AND GAINING ON OUR ACFT RATHER QUICKLY. ACR Y WAS CONVERGING ON US AND DSNDING THROUGH OUR ALT. THE CTLR REALIZING THIS ORDERED ACR Y TO STOP HIS DSCNT AND CLB BACK TO 11000. BY MAKING THE 090 DEG TURN AND THE FO HAVING A VISUAL ON THE TARGET THE CONFLICT WAS RESOLVED WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. MY FEELING IS THAT THE AIR TFC CTLR MISJUDGED THE CLOSURE RATE OF THE 2 ACFT DUE TO THE DIFFERENCES OF THE SPD IN WHICH WE WERE TRAVELING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.