 |
37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Cpr light transport jet aircraft climbed through departure crossing restriction altitude and exceeded speed restriction upon descending to the overshot altitude.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 205630 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199203 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : las |
| State Reference | NV |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7800 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : las |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 45 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 250 |
| ASRS Report | 205630 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 1200 flight time type : 200 |
| ASRS Report | 206079 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
| Consequence | faa : investigated Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
New manufacturer navigation system software had acrimonious discussion with manufacturer representative of manufacturer model navigation 24 hours earlier (at helicopter association international) regarding inadequate documentation and training arrangements for use of software relating to FMS sids and stars. Tried to let system supply flight director with navigation data to fly mead and departure. System was slow or failed to initiate first turn from runway heading (255 degrees) to heading 270 degrees -- had to disengage system and use raw data to continue departure. Was unable to quickly identify 280 degree radial off las which was to be crossed at 7000 or less. Controller notified me of deviation and as I descended back to 7000, exceeded 250 KT speed limit (below 10000) and reached 290 KTS before speed brakes extended. Controller advised no conflict and to continue climb. I can't think or react fast enough to learn (sort out) system in the air (on IFR flight plan). Manufacturers should be required to develop simulator training programs to learn new equipment and software. A session with a salesman (who may not even be a pilot) doesn't get it!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CPR LTT JET ACFT CLBED THROUGH DEP XING RESTRICTION ALT AND EXCEEDED SPD RESTRICTION UPON DSNDING TO THE OVERSHOT ALT.
Narrative: NEW MANUFACTURER NAV SYS SOFTWARE HAD ACRIMONIOUS DISCUSSION WITH MANUFACTURER REPRESENTATIVE OF MANUFACTURER MODEL NAV 24 HRS EARLIER (AT HELI ASSOCIATION INTL) REGARDING INADEQUATE DOCUMENTATION AND TRAINING ARRANGEMENTS FOR USE OF SOFTWARE RELATING TO FMS SIDS AND STARS. TRIED TO LET SYS SUPPLY FLT DIRECTOR WITH NAV DATA TO FLY MEAD AND DEP. SYS WAS SLOW OR FAILED TO INITIATE FIRST TURN FROM RWY HDG (255 DEGS) TO HDG 270 DEGS -- HAD TO DISENGAGE SYS AND USE RAW DATA TO CONTINUE DEP. WAS UNABLE TO QUICKLY IDENT 280 DEG RADIAL OFF LAS WHICH WAS TO BE CROSSED AT 7000 OR LESS. CTLR NOTIFIED ME OF DEV AND AS I DSNDED BACK TO 7000, EXCEEDED 250 KT SPD LIMIT (BELOW 10000) AND REACHED 290 KTS BEFORE SPD BRAKES EXTENDED. CTLR ADVISED NO CONFLICT AND TO CONTINUE CLB. I CAN'T THINK OR REACT FAST ENOUGH TO LEARN (SORT OUT) SYS IN THE AIR (ON IFR FLT PLAN). MANUFACTURERS SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO DEVELOP SIMULATOR TRAINING PROGRAMS TO LEARN NEW EQUIP AND SOFTWARE. A SESSION WITH A SALESMAN (WHO MAY NOT EVEN BE A PLT) DOESN'T GET IT!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.