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Air carrier X uncoord unauthorized penetration of center airspace after no communication with ZJX. Operational deviation.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 207741 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199204 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : rdu |
| State Reference | NC |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 19000 msl bound upper : 19000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx artcc : zdc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct enroute airway : zdc enroute airway : zjx |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 130 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 800 |
| ASRS Report | 207741 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Intra Facility Coordination Failure Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
Air carrier X initial call up to ZJX, had to call 3 times. On third call, I asked for a radio check and was told that we were loud and clear standby. I didn't call ATC for 20 mins or so which may have been about 80-100 mi until we were at a point where we should be talking to raleigh approach or washington center and we would definitely be lower than 19000. After calling center (jax) several times without response, I called raleigh approach and was given a frequency for washington center. All proceeded normally from that point. I should have been more persistent on initial call and being idented since I don't think we were idented.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X UNCOORD UNAUTHORIZED PENETRATION OF CTR AIRSPACE AFTER NO COM WITH ZJX. OPDEV.
Narrative: ACR X INITIAL CALL UP TO ZJX, HAD TO CALL 3 TIMES. ON THIRD CALL, I ASKED FOR A RADIO CHK AND WAS TOLD THAT WE WERE LOUD AND CLR STANDBY. I DIDN'T CALL ATC FOR 20 MINS OR SO WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN ABOUT 80-100 MI UNTIL WE WERE AT A POINT WHERE WE SHOULD BE TALKING TO RALEIGH APCH OR WASHINGTON CTR AND WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE LOWER THAN 19000. AFTER CALLING CTR (JAX) SEVERAL TIMES WITHOUT RESPONSE, I CALLED RALEIGH APCH AND WAS GIVEN A FREQ FOR WASHINGTON CTR. ALL PROCEEDED NORMALLY FROM THAT POINT. I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE PERSISTENT ON INITIAL CALL AND BEING IDENTED SINCE I DON'T THINK WE WERE IDENTED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.