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Attributes | |
ACN | 208196 |
Time | |
Date | 199204 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : irw |
State Reference | OK |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 29000 msl bound upper : 31000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zab |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 2800 flight time type : 325 |
ASRS Report | 208196 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 208202 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : overcame equipment problem flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | vertical : 2000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
TCASII provided a TA directly under our aircraft which quickly (2 seconds) resolved into a RA commanding a 'climb' which in 1 second changed to 'increase climb.' green fly to arc dictated a climb rate of 4000 FPM up. 'Clear of conflict/monitor vertical speed' annunciation came as our aircraft approached FL310. ATC was advised with no response. ATC again advised and they told us to change frequency to ZFW and to also check our altitude. (Incident obviously occurred at center sector changeover, adding to ATC confusion). Advised ATC that we had already informed them of altitude deviation due to RA. They rogered our call and said ZFW had inquired about our altitude and to change frequency and talk to ZFW. We switched to ZFW and advised of same, requested information on traffic. Were told traffic had leveled under us at FL280 and that there was no conflict. We indicated to ATC we would document the incident. Conclusion -- TCASII worked as advertised, however, this appears to be a situation where TCASII obviously cannot determine intent. Without TCASII we would have never moved the airplane. A traffic callout from ATC (with traffic's intent to level at 280) would have definitely been appropriate and very beneficial. This may be even more important with the increase in aircraft equipped with TCASII. TCASII was being operated in TA/RA, range 50, normal altitude search.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN LGT ACR CREW HAD A TCASII ALERT AT ALT THAT COMMANDED A CLB. THEY RESPONDED, THEN RETURNED TO THEIR ORIGINAL ALT.
Narrative: TCASII PROVIDED A TA DIRECTLY UNDER OUR ACFT WHICH QUICKLY (2 SECONDS) RESOLVED INTO A RA COMMANDING A 'CLB' WHICH IN 1 SECOND CHANGED TO 'INCREASE CLB.' GREEN FLY TO ARC DICTATED A CLB RATE OF 4000 FPM UP. 'CLR OF CONFLICT/MONITOR VERT SPD' ANNUNCIATION CAME AS OUR ACFT APCHED FL310. ATC WAS ADVISED WITH NO RESPONSE. ATC AGAIN ADVISED AND THEY TOLD US TO CHANGE FREQ TO ZFW AND TO ALSO CHK OUR ALT. (INCIDENT OBVIOUSLY OCCURRED AT CTR SECTOR CHANGEOVER, ADDING TO ATC CONFUSION). ADVISED ATC THAT WE HAD ALREADY INFORMED THEM OF ALTDEV DUE TO RA. THEY ROGERED OUR CALL AND SAID ZFW HAD INQUIRED ABOUT OUR ALT AND TO CHANGE FREQ AND TALK TO ZFW. WE SWITCHED TO ZFW AND ADVISED OF SAME, REQUESTED INFO ON TFC. WERE TOLD TFC HAD LEVELED UNDER US AT FL280 AND THAT THERE WAS NO CONFLICT. WE INDICATED TO ATC WE WOULD DOCUMENT THE INCIDENT. CONCLUSION -- TCASII WORKED AS ADVERTISED, HOWEVER, THIS APPEARS TO BE A SITUATION WHERE TCASII OBVIOUSLY CANNOT DETERMINE INTENT. WITHOUT TCASII WE WOULD HAVE NEVER MOVED THE AIRPLANE. A TFC CALLOUT FROM ATC (WITH TFC'S INTENT TO LEVEL AT 280) WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY BEEN APPROPRIATE AND VERY BENEFICIAL. THIS MAY BE EVEN MORE IMPORTANT WITH THE INCREASE IN ACFT EQUIPPED WITH TCASII. TCASII WAS BEING OPERATED IN TA/RA, RANGE 50, NORMAL ALT SEARCH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.