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Attributes | |
ACN | 209441 |
Time | |
Date | 199205 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : see |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2400 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : san artcc : zau |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other landing : missed approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 65 flight time total : 6100 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 209441 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Navigational Aid | Unspecified |
Narrative:
Vectored to samos OM/intersection. Established on localizer D, passed with signal samos OM and reported at 4100 ft. Started DME and continued descent at 500 FPM. At approximately 5 mins, started to call missed approach (no gregg FM indication at 2400 ft) when tower indicated approach control wanted expedited left 180 degree turn and climb to 3000 ft. Approach advised I had overflown the runway 5 KM/acknowledged FM out, then advised not out? While on climb out heard other aircraft call missed approach. I may have been vectored inside samos and mistook for gregg or FM may actually have been out and missed approach due to holding 2400 ft. Next time I'll use my LORAN C for backup (not authorized IFR). Would be much safer to be able to utilize the LORAN C as a DME for this type approach, or put a DME on this type approach, or have a means to determine if the FM is operational or put a bright display in tower for aid to pilots in such a dilemma. I'm pretty sure I was vectored to lardy intersection, not inside samos. However, time/distance indicates I was vectored inside samos and gregg appeared as OM. Next time there I will check the system in VFR conditions and see how it works out.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MISSED APCH POINT MISSED BY PLT DURING AN IMC NIGHT OP APCH TO EL CAJON.
Narrative: VECTORED TO SAMOS OM/INTXN. ESTABLISHED ON LOC D, PASSED WITH SIGNAL SAMOS OM AND RPTED AT 4100 FT. STARTED DME AND CONTINUED DSCNT AT 500 FPM. AT APPROX 5 MINS, STARTED TO CALL MISSED APCH (NO GREGG FM INDICATION AT 2400 FT) WHEN TWR INDICATED APCH CTL WANTED EXPEDITED L 180 DEG TURN AND CLB TO 3000 FT. APCH ADVISED I HAD OVERFLOWN THE RWY 5 KM/ACKNOWLEDGED FM OUT, THEN ADVISED NOT OUT? WHILE ON CLB OUT HEARD OTHER ACFT CALL MISSED APCH. I MAY HAVE BEEN VECTORED INSIDE SAMOS AND MISTOOK FOR GREGG OR FM MAY ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN OUT AND MISSED APCH DUE TO HOLDING 2400 FT. NEXT TIME I'LL USE MY LORAN C FOR BACKUP (NOT AUTHORIZED IFR). WOULD BE MUCH SAFER TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE LORAN C AS A DME FOR THIS TYPE APCH, OR PUT A DME ON THIS TYPE APCH, OR HAVE A MEANS TO DETERMINE IF THE FM IS OPERATIONAL OR PUT A BRIGHT DISPLAY IN TWR FOR AID TO PLTS IN SUCH A DILEMMA. I'M PRETTY SURE I WAS VECTORED TO LARDY INTXN, NOT INSIDE SAMOS. HOWEVER, TIME/DISTANCE INDICATES I WAS VECTORED INSIDE SAMOS AND GREGG APPEARED AS OM. NEXT TIME THERE I WILL CHK THE SYS IN VFR CONDITIONS AND SEE HOW IT WORKS OUT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.