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Attributes | |
ACN | 213698 |
Time | |
Date | 199206 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw tower : dfw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial landing : go around |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 450 |
ASRS Report | 213698 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 4400 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 213736 |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 20000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
An aircraft was executing a go around on the parallel runway at dfw. The tower asked us to maintain visual contact. Just before this, my copilot had pointed out the traffic and had stated that we should keep an eye on him. We switched to departure control and they asked if we had the traffic in sight. The aircraft was about 5 mi ahead and climbing out. The WX was partly cloudy -- scattered clouds. Keeping the traffic in sight was not a problem. Departure issued our traffic, which was ahead of us in a turn to the right. They then gave us a right turn as well. It was a 90 degree turn and we were climbing through about 3000 ft on a clearance limit of 10000 ft. As the copilot was making the turn, I realized that we were not going to be able to maintain visual contact with our traffic. I was informing departure control that our traffic was about to be lost when we received a TA on our TCASII followed by an RA 'descend' command. I looked at our altitude which was about 4500 ft and the altitude of the blip on the TCASII screen showed a plus/minus 600 ft. I was also aware that we were still climbing and so I assisted the copilot in beginning a descent by pushing the yoke down and telling him to get it down and follow the RA. At the same time, departure control responded to my call and told us to descend to 4000 ft and maintain VFR. It was all very busy and quick. I thought I could maintain visual contact, but the 90 degree turns quickly changed the picture. I don't understand why departure issued a clearance that would be in conflict, visual or otherwise. There was no way that we could have avoided the evasive TCASII maneuver. I think now it will be very difficult for me to accept any visual separation clearance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR MLG HAD A TCASII ALERT TO DSND WHILE TRYING IN VAIN TO MAINTAIN VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE ACFT AHEAD THAT HAD JUST MADE A GAR.
Narrative: AN ACFT WAS EXECUTING A GAR ON THE PARALLEL RWY AT DFW. THE TWR ASKED US TO MAINTAIN VISUAL CONTACT. JUST BEFORE THIS, MY COPLT HAD POINTED OUT THE TFC AND HAD STATED THAT WE SHOULD KEEP AN EYE ON HIM. WE SWITCHED TO DEP CTL AND THEY ASKED IF WE HAD THE TFC IN SIGHT. THE ACFT WAS ABOUT 5 MI AHEAD AND CLBING OUT. THE WX WAS PARTLY CLOUDY -- SCATTERED CLOUDS. KEEPING THE TFC IN SIGHT WAS NOT A PROBLEM. DEP ISSUED OUR TFC, WHICH WAS AHEAD OF US IN A TURN TO THE R. THEY THEN GAVE US A R TURN AS WELL. IT WAS A 90 DEG TURN AND WE WERE CLBING THROUGH ABOUT 3000 FT ON A CLRNC LIMIT OF 10000 FT. AS THE COPLT WAS MAKING THE TURN, I REALIZED THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN VISUAL CONTACT WITH OUR TFC. I WAS INFORMING DEP CTL THAT OUR TFC WAS ABOUT TO BE LOST WHEN WE RECEIVED A TA ON OUR TCASII FOLLOWED BY AN RA 'DSND' COMMAND. I LOOKED AT OUR ALT WHICH WAS ABOUT 4500 FT AND THE ALT OF THE BLIP ON THE TCASII SCREEN SHOWED A PLUS/MINUS 600 FT. I WAS ALSO AWARE THAT WE WERE STILL CLBING AND SO I ASSISTED THE COPLT IN BEGINNING A DSCNT BY PUSHING THE YOKE DOWN AND TELLING HIM TO GET IT DOWN AND FOLLOW THE RA. AT THE SAME TIME, DEP CTL RESPONDED TO MY CALL AND TOLD US TO DSND TO 4000 FT AND MAINTAIN VFR. IT WAS ALL VERY BUSY AND QUICK. I THOUGHT I COULD MAINTAIN VISUAL CONTACT, BUT THE 90 DEG TURNS QUICKLY CHANGED THE PICTURE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY DEP ISSUED A CLRNC THAT WOULD BE IN CONFLICT, VISUAL OR OTHERWISE. THERE WAS NO WAY THAT WE COULD HAVE AVOIDED THE EVASIVE TCASII MANEUVER. I THINK NOW IT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO ACCEPT ANY VISUAL SEPARATION CLRNC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.