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Attributes | |
ACN | 217235 |
Time | |
Date | 199207 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 217235 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were on descent with approach control at dfw on vectors for 36L. The first officer was on IOE and it was his first trip in first officer seat. The clearance was descend from 5000 ft to 4000 ft. I noticed an aircraft on TCASII about 1 O'clock at 7 mi, 500 ft below our aircraft but climbing. TCASII issued 'traffic' and then 'monitor vertical speed.' the RA was not to climb and I kept 400-500 FPM descent. Quickly TCASII said 'descend, crossover, descend' meaning we were going through the other aircraft's altitude during RA. I was going to the depicted 1500 FPM descent when RA reversed to 'climb, climb now.' the intruder block passed beneath or almost beneath our symbol on TCASII indicating 200 ft below our altitude. During the climb, I told ATC 'climbing in response to an RA' and ATC answered, 'there's no one there!' either we had a near miss (never saw any aircraft) or we were fighting with a ghost!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG ON DSCNT HAS TCASII TA THEN RA. FLC RESPONDED. CTLR SAYS NOTHING THERE!
Narrative: WE WERE ON DSCNT WITH APCH CTL AT DFW ON VECTORS FOR 36L. THE FO WAS ON IOE AND IT WAS HIS FIRST TRIP IN FO SEAT. THE CLRNC WAS DSND FROM 5000 FT TO 4000 FT. I NOTICED AN ACFT ON TCASII ABOUT 1 O'CLOCK AT 7 MI, 500 FT BELOW OUR ACFT BUT CLBING. TCASII ISSUED 'TFC' AND THEN 'MONITOR VERT SPD.' THE RA WAS NOT TO CLB AND I KEPT 400-500 FPM DSCNT. QUICKLY TCASII SAID 'DSND, CROSSOVER, DSND' MEANING WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE OTHER ACFT'S ALT DURING RA. I WAS GOING TO THE DEPICTED 1500 FPM DSCNT WHEN RA REVERSED TO 'CLB, CLB NOW.' THE INTRUDER BLOCK PASSED BENEATH OR ALMOST BENEATH OUR SYMBOL ON TCASII INDICATING 200 FT BELOW OUR ALT. DURING THE CLB, I TOLD ATC 'CLBING IN RESPONSE TO AN RA' AND ATC ANSWERED, 'THERE'S NO ONE THERE!' EITHER WE HAD A NEAR MISS (NEVER SAW ANY ACFT) OR WE WERE FIGHTING WITH A GHOST!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.