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Attributes | |
ACN | 217576 |
Time | |
Date | 199208 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : hnl |
State Reference | HI |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : hnl |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Flight Phase | landing : go around landing other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 1700 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 217576 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Hnl tower cleared our airplane for a landing on 4L, hold short of 8L. The student I was instructing landed on 4L hard and bounced. After hitting the second time, he started a go around. He called the tower saying he was going around. Tower said 'unable go around, hold short of 8L.' I instructed tower we were going around. Very upset, the tower vectored us back for a landing requesting to know the reason during a critical phase of flight. I replied bounced and hard landing. As we taxied back hnl ground told us to call the tower supervisor. I did, and he did not agree with the go around. The FAA flight training handbook along with all fall publications indicate in doubt or during bounce, a go around is proper. The tower could have caused a disaster if a student had tried to force the airplane to land after a bounce, feeling the tower must be obeyed when they said 'unable go around, hold short 8L.' the tower could have caused a second accident when asking for the reason for the go around, when the pilot has his hands full doing a go around low to the ground. As a professional pilot with the air force, if I have to do a go around in an air force jet, which I have, the hnl tower does not hassle the pilot. But because an small aircraft is a small plane, the tower treats the pilot as a second class citizen. The tower should treat all planes and pilots with equal respect and without hassle. The tower should not use intimidation, or an accident will result with it being their fault.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SPI WITH INSTRUCTOR MAKES HARD LNDG, BOUNCES, EXECUTES GAR. TWR SAYS UNABLE. INSTRUCTOR SAYS GOING AROUND.
Narrative: HNL TWR CLRED OUR AIRPLANE FOR A LNDG ON 4L, HOLD SHORT OF 8L. THE STUDENT I WAS INSTRUCTING LANDED ON 4L HARD AND BOUNCED. AFTER HITTING THE SECOND TIME, HE STARTED A GAR. HE CALLED THE TWR SAYING HE WAS GOING AROUND. TWR SAID 'UNABLE GAR, HOLD SHORT OF 8L.' I INSTRUCTED TWR WE WERE GOING AROUND. VERY UPSET, THE TWR VECTORED US BACK FOR A LNDG REQUESTING TO KNOW THE REASON DURING A CRITICAL PHASE OF FLT. I REPLIED BOUNCED AND HARD LNDG. AS WE TAXIED BACK HNL GND TOLD US TO CALL THE TWR SUPVR. I DID, AND HE DID NOT AGREE WITH THE GAR. THE FAA FLT TRAINING HANDBOOK ALONG WITH ALL FALL PUBLICATIONS INDICATE IN DOUBT OR DURING BOUNCE, A GAR IS PROPER. THE TWR COULD HAVE CAUSED A DISASTER IF A STUDENT HAD TRIED TO FORCE THE AIRPLANE TO LAND AFTER A BOUNCE, FEELING THE TWR MUST BE OBEYED WHEN THEY SAID 'UNABLE GAR, HOLD SHORT 8L.' THE TWR COULD HAVE CAUSED A SECOND ACCIDENT WHEN ASKING FOR THE REASON FOR THE GAR, WHEN THE PLT HAS HIS HANDS FULL DOING A GAR LOW TO THE GND. AS A PROFESSIONAL PLT WITH THE AIR FORCE, IF I HAVE TO DO A GAR IN AN AIR FORCE JET, WHICH I HAVE, THE HNL TWR DOES NOT HASSLE THE PLT. BUT BECAUSE AN SMA IS A SMALL PLANE, THE TWR TREATS THE PLT AS A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN. THE TWR SHOULD TREAT ALL PLANES AND PLTS WITH EQUAL RESPECT AND WITHOUT HASSLE. THE TWR SHOULD NOT USE INTIMIDATION, OR AN ACCIDENT WILL RESULT WITH IT BEING THEIR FAULT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.