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Attributes | |
ACN | 217987 |
Time | |
Date | 199208 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pia |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 280 flight time total : 5600 flight time type : 3200 |
ASRS Report | 217987 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 2700 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 217985 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Publication | Unspecified |
Narrative:
We were departing peoria, il, for a direct flight to minneapolis. I and my first officer had recently completed a new lower than standard takeoff program the company had just implemented allowing us to takeoff with 600 RVR as long as certain provisions were made. Pia was reporting 600-700 ft RVR on the active runway 13/31. The problem is that the new company training procedure was not clear about the fact there were additional procedure required. As the new procedures were vague, I previously discussed the new procedures with the company instructor during recurrent training and also with the company check airman during my recurrent check ride in a flight simulator. As the new procedures were unclr, my specific question to both instructors was this: verify this is correct, we may now use lower than standard takeoff mins to 600 RVR anywhere we previously could use lower than standard takeoff mins to 1600 RVR. Both instructors confirmed my answer. The problem is they were partially wrong in that there are additional requirements which must be referenced in the gom. This was never taught and now the il FAA is investigating. I have enclosed a copy of the new procedures which now I understand are incomplete.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: UNAUTHORIZED TKOF PERFORMED BY ACR LTT WHEN ARPT WX MINS FOR TKOF WERE NOT LEGAL.
Narrative: WE WERE DEPARTING PEORIA, IL, FOR A DIRECT FLT TO MINNEAPOLIS. I AND MY FO HAD RECENTLY COMPLETED A NEW LOWER THAN STANDARD TKOF PROGRAM THE COMPANY HAD JUST IMPLEMENTED ALLOWING US TO TKOF WITH 600 RVR AS LONG AS CERTAIN PROVISIONS WERE MADE. PIA WAS RPTING 600-700 FT RVR ON THE ACTIVE RWY 13/31. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE NEW COMPANY TRAINING PROC WAS NOT CLR ABOUT THE FACT THERE WERE ADDITIONAL PROC REQUIRED. AS THE NEW PROCS WERE VAGUE, I PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED THE NEW PROCS WITH THE COMPANY INSTRUCTOR DURING RECURRENT TRAINING AND ALSO WITH THE COMPANY CHK AIRMAN DURING MY RECURRENT CHK RIDE IN A FLT SIMULATOR. AS THE NEW PROCS WERE UNCLR, MY SPECIFIC QUESTION TO BOTH INSTRUCTORS WAS THIS: VERIFY THIS IS CORRECT, WE MAY NOW USE LOWER THAN STANDARD TKOF MINS TO 600 RVR ANYWHERE WE PREVIOUSLY COULD USE LOWER THAN STANDARD TKOF MINS TO 1600 RVR. BOTH INSTRUCTORS CONFIRMED MY ANSWER. THE PROBLEM IS THEY WERE PARTIALLY WRONG IN THAT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS WHICH MUST BE REFED IN THE GOM. THIS WAS NEVER TAUGHT AND NOW THE IL FAA IS INVESTIGATING. I HAVE ENCLOSED A COPY OF THE NEW PROCS WHICH NOW I UNDERSTAND ARE INCOMPLETE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.