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Attributes | |
ACN | 219642 |
Time | |
Date | 199208 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sbj |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 13000 msl bound upper : 14000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny artcc : zbw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 12400 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 219642 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were en route from ewr to bwi. At 14000 ft, ATC descended us to 13000 ft on a heading of 150 degrees. We were told that we could have 13000 ft or 14000 ft to bwi shortly. Soon, ATC told us to climb back to 14000 ft, proceed direct to lancaster VOR. He continued to talk to another aircraft. We stayed at 13000 ft, turning direct to lancaster. When he was through talking, we asked for 13000 ft for a final. At this point, our TCASII picked up a target at 13000 ft. ATC told us to climb to 14000 ft and turn left to 180 degrees. ATC told the other aircraft to turn to 270 degrees. At the same time, the TCASII commanded a climb. In my opinion, we would have received a TCASII alert even if we had started a normal rate of climb immediately after being told to climb to 14000 ft. We were not told to expedite the climb. Valuable time was lost when the controller continued talking to the other aircraft. If I had known that 13000 ft was no longer a viable altitude for us, we would have started an immediate climb to 14000 ft without hesitation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF ACR MDT ACFT DID NOT CLB IMMEDIATELY WHEN DIRECTED BY ATC CAUSING ATC TO ISSUE EVASIVE ACTION TURNS TO BOTH ACFT AND A NMAC.
Narrative: WE WERE ENRTE FROM EWR TO BWI. AT 14000 FT, ATC DSNDED US TO 13000 FT ON A HDG OF 150 DEGS. WE WERE TOLD THAT WE COULD HAVE 13000 FT OR 14000 FT TO BWI SHORTLY. SOON, ATC TOLD US TO CLB BACK TO 14000 FT, PROCEED DIRECT TO LANCASTER VOR. HE CONTINUED TO TALK TO ANOTHER ACFT. WE STAYED AT 13000 FT, TURNING DIRECT TO LANCASTER. WHEN HE WAS THROUGH TALKING, WE ASKED FOR 13000 FT FOR A FINAL. AT THIS POINT, OUR TCASII PICKED UP A TARGET AT 13000 FT. ATC TOLD US TO CLB TO 14000 FT AND TURN L TO 180 DEGS. ATC TOLD THE OTHER ACFT TO TURN TO 270 DEGS. AT THE SAME TIME, THE TCASII COMMANDED A CLB. IN MY OPINION, WE WOULD HAVE RECEIVED A TCASII ALERT EVEN IF WE HAD STARTED A NORMAL RATE OF CLB IMMEDIATELY AFTER BEING TOLD TO CLB TO 14000 FT. WE WERE NOT TOLD TO EXPEDITE THE CLB. VALUABLE TIME WAS LOST WHEN THE CTLR CONTINUED TALKING TO THE OTHER ACFT. IF I HAD KNOWN THAT 13000 FT WAS NO LONGER A VIABLE ALT FOR US, WE WOULD HAVE STARTED AN IMMEDIATE CLB TO 14000 FT WITHOUT HESITATION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.