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Attributes | |
ACN | 221471 |
Time | |
Date | 199209 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : bsv |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 9500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute airway : pit |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 221471 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 4000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
While climbing through 8000 ft to assigned altitude of 14000 ft, pit departure called VFR traffic 12 O'clock, close range and 9500 ft. Sky was hazy and he was not on our TCASII. We reduced our rate of climb and the target appeared at 12 O'clock and 2 1/2 mi on TCASII. We leveled off at 9000 ft and received a descend RA. I saw him pass off our left wing slightly above and about 3/4 mi. We were then handed off to cle center. Cle informed us that he had passed the VFR TA to pit departure. In the ATC system today the most dangerous airspace that I can imagine is that just outside and above a TCA. All VFR traffic with VFR rated pilots and those not wishing to participate in radar separation are sandwiched between 8000 and 12500. Those not equipped with mode C transponders are packed between 10000 and 12500. 10000 ft is where the FAA allows relaxed cabin atmosphere, nonsterile cockpit and exterior lights off. Additionally this is an area where airspace responsibility changes hands from departure/arrival to center. Numerous handoffs and much coordination is required. I have long felt this to be one of those focal points of weakness which is a massive accident waiting to happen.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR HAS TCASII RA AND TA. LEVELS OFF TO AVOID.
Narrative: WHILE CLBING THROUGH 8000 FT TO ASSIGNED ALT OF 14000 FT, PIT DEP CALLED VFR TFC 12 O'CLOCK, CLOSE RANGE AND 9500 FT. SKY WAS HAZY AND HE WAS NOT ON OUR TCASII. WE REDUCED OUR RATE OF CLB AND THE TARGET APPEARED AT 12 O'CLOCK AND 2 1/2 MI ON TCASII. WE LEVELED OFF AT 9000 FT AND RECEIVED A DSND RA. I SAW HIM PASS OFF OUR L WING SLIGHTLY ABOVE AND ABOUT 3/4 MI. WE WERE THEN HANDED OFF TO CLE CTR. CLE INFORMED US THAT HE HAD PASSED THE VFR TA TO PIT DEP. IN THE ATC SYS TODAY THE MOST DANGEROUS AIRSPACE THAT I CAN IMAGINE IS THAT JUST OUTSIDE AND ABOVE A TCA. ALL VFR TFC WITH VFR RATED PLTS AND THOSE NOT WISHING TO PARTICIPATE IN RADAR SEPARATION ARE SANDWICHED BTWN 8000 AND 12500. THOSE NOT EQUIPPED WITH MODE C TRANSPONDERS ARE PACKED BTWN 10000 AND 12500. 10000 FT IS WHERE THE FAA ALLOWS RELAXED CABIN ATMOSPHERE, NONSTERILE COCKPIT AND EXTERIOR LIGHTS OFF. ADDITIONALLY THIS IS AN AREA WHERE AIRSPACE RESPONSIBILITY CHANGES HANDS FROM DEP/ARR TO CTR. NUMEROUS HDOFS AND MUCH COORD IS REQUIRED. I HAVE LONG FELT THIS TO BE ONE OF THOSE FOCAL POINTS OF WEAKNESS WHICH IS A MASSIVE ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.