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Attributes | |
ACN | 224180 |
Time | |
Date | 199210 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11500 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival : profile descent enroute airway : lax |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 150 |
ASRS Report | 224180 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
The flight began out of mem to lax. The captain was having a chkride. He was the 'old style' captain we have learned about in CRM, isolating himself from his crew, non- standard. On descent into lax, first officer tried to set in the altitudes on the STAR approach, but the captain did not acknowledge his efforts. At about 40 NM on the lax VOR, the captain was descending through 12000 ft, the first officer quickly pointed out that he was going below min altitude on the STAR. I had just finished my so duties, and was positioning myself (my seat) behind the center console of the widebody transport and looked at the captain's plate. It looked to me like this altitude corresponded to the plate. The captain muttered something and continued the descent. I looked back at the check pilot, who was right behind the captain. He, chkplt, asked the first officer to see his STAR, and compared it to the one on his lap. Upon landing the chkplt asked the captain to compare his plate to the first officer's. The captain's plate was 2 editions old, the altitudes were wrong, and the captain had violated the 12000 ft altitude restriction. The chkplt told the captain he had failed his chkride, and would be removed from the remainder of the trip. Although first officer had advised the captain he was descending below min altitude, the captain did not check his plate against the first officer's nor stop his descent. He resented any outside input and made that clear. I think this captain is a public hazard!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR PLT ON CHKRIDE DSNDS BELOW PUBLISHED ALT ON PROFILE DSCNT.
Narrative: THE FLT BEGAN OUT OF MEM TO LAX. THE CAPT WAS HAVING A CHKRIDE. HE WAS THE 'OLD STYLE' CAPT WE HAVE LEARNED ABOUT IN CRM, ISOLATING HIMSELF FROM HIS CREW, NON- STANDARD. ON DSCNT INTO LAX, FO TRIED TO SET IN THE ALTS ON THE STAR APCH, BUT THE CAPT DID NOT ACKNOWLEDGE HIS EFFORTS. AT ABOUT 40 NM ON THE LAX VOR, THE CAPT WAS DSNDING THROUGH 12000 FT, THE FO QUICKLY POINTED OUT THAT HE WAS GOING BELOW MIN ALT ON THE STAR. I HAD JUST FINISHED MY SO DUTIES, AND WAS POSITIONING MYSELF (MY SEAT) BEHIND THE CTR CONSOLE OF THE WDB AND LOOKED AT THE CAPT'S PLATE. IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE THIS ALT CORRESPONDED TO THE PLATE. THE CAPT MUTTERED SOMETHING AND CONTINUED THE DSCNT. I LOOKED BACK AT THE CHK PLT, WHO WAS RIGHT BEHIND THE CAPT. HE, CHKPLT, ASKED THE FO TO SEE HIS STAR, AND COMPARED IT TO THE ONE ON HIS LAP. UPON LNDG THE CHKPLT ASKED THE CAPT TO COMPARE HIS PLATE TO THE FO'S. THE CAPT'S PLATE WAS 2 EDITIONS OLD, THE ALTS WERE WRONG, AND THE CAPT HAD VIOLATED THE 12000 FT ALT RESTRICTION. THE CHKPLT TOLD THE CAPT HE HAD FAILED HIS CHKRIDE, AND WOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE REMAINDER OF THE TRIP. ALTHOUGH FO HAD ADVISED THE CAPT HE WAS DSNDING BELOW MIN ALT, THE CAPT DID NOT CHK HIS PLATE AGAINST THE FO'S NOR STOP HIS DSCNT. HE RESENTED ANY OUTSIDE INPUT AND MADE THAT CLR. I THINK THIS CAPT IS A PUBLIC HAZARD!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.