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Attributes | |
ACN | 225251 |
Time | |
Date | 199211 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mci |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : fwa |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute airway : mci |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 225251 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
The captain was flying, and I was handling the radios. We were given clearance to cross otter intersection at 250 KTS and 11000 ft. The captain started down and was right on profile for a 320 KT descent. At about 13000 ft he slowed the descent and pushed the power up. I told him they wanted us at 250 KTS and 11000 ft at otter intersection and he said they wanted that at bonnr intersection, but for me to verify with approach. I did, and it was otter. The captain told me to tell them that we thought it was bonnr and that we would be fast. They said no problem and that we were not the first to mix these two up. This was only our second leg to fly together (I flew the first leg). The next 2 days of flying together, I observed that it was his style to descend a good bit early for all xings. Thus, what I had thought was a precise descent for otter intersection, was just a coincidence as he was making his standard early descent for bonnr intersection.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN MLG MISSED HIS AIRSPD RESTRICTION AN AT INTXN ON DSCNT.
Narrative: THE CAPT WAS FLYING, AND I WAS HANDLING THE RADIOS. WE WERE GIVEN CLRNC TO CROSS OTTER INTXN AT 250 KTS AND 11000 FT. THE CAPT STARTED DOWN AND WAS RIGHT ON PROFILE FOR A 320 KT DSCNT. AT ABOUT 13000 FT HE SLOWED THE DSCNT AND PUSHED THE PWR UP. I TOLD HIM THEY WANTED US AT 250 KTS AND 11000 FT AT OTTER INTXN AND HE SAID THEY WANTED THAT AT BONNR INTXN, BUT FOR ME TO VERIFY WITH APCH. I DID, AND IT WAS OTTER. THE CAPT TOLD ME TO TELL THEM THAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS BONNR AND THAT WE WOULD BE FAST. THEY SAID NO PROBLEM AND THAT WE WERE NOT THE FIRST TO MIX THESE TWO UP. THIS WAS ONLY OUR SECOND LEG TO FLY TOGETHER (I FLEW THE FIRST LEG). THE NEXT 2 DAYS OF FLYING TOGETHER, I OBSERVED THAT IT WAS HIS STYLE TO DSND A GOOD BIT EARLY FOR ALL XINGS. THUS, WHAT I HAD THOUGHT WAS A PRECISE DSCNT FOR OTTER INTXN, WAS JUST A COINCIDENCE AS HE WAS MAKING HIS STANDARD EARLY DSCNT FOR BONNR INTXN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.