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Attributes | |
ACN | 225386 |
Time | |
Date | 199210 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ogg |
State Reference | HI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zhn |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors enroute airway : zhn |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 225386 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : became reoriented |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Departing kahului, maui, maui 4 departure, vectors to the julie 2 arrival, lanai transition, 278 degrees of lanai to honolulu events: all conditions normal. After departure, following SID procedures, we were given a couple of heading changes and altitudes to climb to. To the best of my memory, ATC had asked us what was our heading. I replied 270 degrees. She asked us, was this heading your own correction making? I replied, yes, as we were still turning to our assigned heading. Note: we were given, I believe, heading 240 degrees, but that was not in the heading control knob. During this time I don't recall if I was in my flight bag looking at the SID or adjusting my headset, but I knew heading 240 degrees was not correct. When I looked up I could see we were hugging the shore line of molokai island. During this time I noticed the captain, who was flying, was trying to use the INS system. All I knew the heading which 'I' preset originally was not in view and now I wasn't sure what our originally assigned heading was -- 'neither did the captain.' I then asked ATC what was the problem. She indicated that you were going into another sector airspace. Then she asked what was your last assigned heading. I started from the beginning departure. First heading 300 degrees, then left 240 degrees? Moments later, that's when we were notified. All we were given from ATC was heading and altitude conditions. Traffic was light, not very many aircraft on the radio. I feel that the PF should have responded to me that he was arranging the heading selector and that he was going to use the INS system. Although both of us were not sure of the heading change, I felt it was necessary to report that this crew was not paying close attention to details and view this as negligence on crew members should this be a problem. As this was our last leg before going off duty, neither of us discussed this matter.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: HDG DEV, ENCROACHES ON OTHER SECTOR AIRSPACE.
Narrative: DEPARTING KAHULUI, MAUI, MAUI 4 DEP, VECTORS TO THE JULIE 2 ARR, LANAI TRANSITION, 278 DEGS OF LANAI TO HONOLULU EVENTS: ALL CONDITIONS NORMAL. AFTER DEP, FOLLOWING SID PROCS, WE WERE GIVEN A COUPLE OF HDG CHANGES AND ALTS TO CLB TO. TO THE BEST OF MY MEMORY, ATC HAD ASKED US WHAT WAS OUR HDG. I REPLIED 270 DEGS. SHE ASKED US, WAS THIS HDG YOUR OWN CORRECTION MAKING? I REPLIED, YES, AS WE WERE STILL TURNING TO OUR ASSIGNED HDG. NOTE: WE WERE GIVEN, I BELIEVE, HDG 240 DEGS, BUT THAT WAS NOT IN THE HDG CTL KNOB. DURING THIS TIME I DON'T RECALL IF I WAS IN MY FLT BAG LOOKING AT THE SID OR ADJUSTING MY HEADSET, BUT I KNEW HDG 240 DEGS WAS NOT CORRECT. WHEN I LOOKED UP I COULD SEE WE WERE HUGGING THE SHORE LINE OF MOLOKAI ISLAND. DURING THIS TIME I NOTICED THE CAPT, WHO WAS FLYING, WAS TRYING TO USE THE INS SYS. ALL I KNEW THE HDG WHICH 'I' PRESET ORIGINALLY WAS NOT IN VIEW AND NOW I WASN'T SURE WHAT OUR ORIGINALLY ASSIGNED HDG WAS -- 'NEITHER DID THE CAPT.' I THEN ASKED ATC WHAT WAS THE PROBLEM. SHE INDICATED THAT YOU WERE GOING INTO ANOTHER SECTOR AIRSPACE. THEN SHE ASKED WHAT WAS YOUR LAST ASSIGNED HDG. I STARTED FROM THE BEGINNING DEP. FIRST HDG 300 DEGS, THEN L 240 DEGS? MOMENTS LATER, THAT'S WHEN WE WERE NOTIFIED. ALL WE WERE GIVEN FROM ATC WAS HDG AND ALT CONDITIONS. TFC WAS LIGHT, NOT VERY MANY ACFT ON THE RADIO. I FEEL THAT THE PF SHOULD HAVE RESPONDED TO ME THAT HE WAS ARRANGING THE HDG SELECTOR AND THAT HE WAS GOING TO USE THE INS SYS. ALTHOUGH BOTH OF US WERE NOT SURE OF THE HDG CHANGE, I FELT IT WAS NECESSARY TO RPT THAT THIS CREW WAS NOT PAYING CLOSE ATTN TO DETAILS AND VIEW THIS AS NEGLIGENCE ON CREW MEMBERS SHOULD THIS BE A PROBLEM. AS THIS WAS OUR LAST LEG BEFORE GOING OFF DUTY, NEITHER OF US DISCUSSED THIS MATTER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.