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Attributes | |
ACN | 225670 |
Time | |
Date | 199211 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : fam |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zme |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 3900 flight time type : 40 |
ASRS Report | 225670 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 880 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 225673 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : far non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
My instrument student and I were on recent IFR cross country training flight to fulfill requirements for his instrument rating. We wanted to shoot NDB-10 approach to cgi due localizer OTS, requested 'ZKC' for same via transition from fam VOR. Center antenna location must be poor as reception of center was garbled and almost totally unreadable, which was passed on to center as such. We finally understood center to say 'ok to fly fam transition and expect NDB-10 approach clearance.' the published transition calls for 3000 ft altitude we were at 5000 and commenced descent to 3000. At 4000 ft center said he 'okayed you to fly transition but maintain 5000 ft.' we may have missed this due to lousy reception, but if not, descent to 3000 ft would have been ok as instruction to 'fly transition' would to me mean to fly it as published. No conflict resulted and we were allowed to stay at 4000 ft. Also my student had filed flight plan under his name in error, instead of my name. (He is not yet instrument rated). Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: advised reporter that cleared for the 'transition' does not mean clearance to a lower altitude. The altitude shown in this instance was available only when not making a procedure turn.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT DEVIATED FROM ASSIGNED ALT AFTER BEING CLRED FOR THE 'TRANSITION' DURING A STUDENT TRAINING FLT.
Narrative: MY INST STUDENT AND I WERE ON RECENT IFR XCOUNTRY TRAINING FLT TO FULFILL REQUIREMENTS FOR HIS INST RATING. WE WANTED TO SHOOT NDB-10 APCH TO CGI DUE LOC OTS, REQUESTED 'ZKC' FOR SAME VIA TRANSITION FROM FAM VOR. CTR ANTENNA LOCATION MUST BE POOR AS RECEPTION OF CTR WAS GARBLED AND ALMOST TOTALLY UNREADABLE, WHICH WAS PASSED ON TO CTR AS SUCH. WE FINALLY UNDERSTOOD CTR TO SAY 'OK TO FLY FAM TRANSITION AND EXPECT NDB-10 APCH CLRNC.' THE PUBLISHED TRANSITION CALLS FOR 3000 FT ALT WE WERE AT 5000 AND COMMENCED DSCNT TO 3000. AT 4000 FT CTR SAID HE 'OKAYED YOU TO FLY TRANSITION BUT MAINTAIN 5000 FT.' WE MAY HAVE MISSED THIS DUE TO LOUSY RECEPTION, BUT IF NOT, DSCNT TO 3000 FT WOULD HAVE BEEN OK AS INSTRUCTION TO 'FLY TRANSITION' WOULD TO ME MEAN TO FLY IT AS PUBLISHED. NO CONFLICT RESULTED AND WE WERE ALLOWED TO STAY AT 4000 FT. ALSO MY STUDENT HAD FILED FLT PLAN UNDER HIS NAME IN ERROR, INSTEAD OF MY NAME. (HE IS NOT YET INST RATED). CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: ADVISED RPTR THAT CLRED FOR THE 'TRANSITION' DOES NOT MEAN CLRNC TO A LOWER ALT. THE ALT SHOWN IN THIS INSTANCE WAS AVAILABLE ONLY WHEN NOT MAKING A PROC TURN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.