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Attributes | |
ACN | 232487 |
Time | |
Date | 199301 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : clt |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9400 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : gso |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
ASRS Report | 232487 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I was working arrival radar east and accepted a handoff on air carrier X at 10000 ft. A few moments later I accepted a handoff on air carrier Y descending to 11000 ft. When air carrier X checked in I advised him of air carrier Y position, which was 6 O'clock and 2 NM, and that he was descending to 11000 ft. A few moments later air carrier X advised me he was descending because of a TCASII advisory he had just received. I then observed air carrier X descend from 10000 ft to 9400 ft. Air carrier Y leveled off at 11000 ft. This deviation occurred outside of my control boundary in gso approach airspace. Comment: TCASII should only be used as an advisory tool for pilots and should not override ATC instructions. The pilot of an aircraft should be able to determine if a TCASII instruction should be followed, especially when ATC just issued the traffic involved and what to expect. Until that happens we can only expect more problems from TCASII.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CTLR RPT OF TCASII RA IN WHICH FLC RESPONDED. ALTDEV.
Narrative: I WAS WORKING ARR RADAR E AND ACCEPTED A HDOF ON ACR X AT 10000 FT. A FEW MOMENTS LATER I ACCEPTED A HDOF ON ACR Y DSNDING TO 11000 FT. WHEN ACR X CHKED IN I ADVISED HIM OF ACR Y POS, WHICH WAS 6 O'CLOCK AND 2 NM, AND THAT HE WAS DSNDING TO 11000 FT. A FEW MOMENTS LATER ACR X ADVISED ME HE WAS DSNDING BECAUSE OF A TCASII ADVISORY HE HAD JUST RECEIVED. I THEN OBSERVED ACR X DSND FROM 10000 FT TO 9400 FT. ACR Y LEVELED OFF AT 11000 FT. THIS DEV OCCURRED OUTSIDE OF MY CTL BOUNDARY IN GSO APCH AIRSPACE. COMMENT: TCASII SHOULD ONLY BE USED AS AN ADVISORY TOOL FOR PLTS AND SHOULD NOT OVERRIDE ATC INSTRUCTIONS. THE PLT OF AN ACFT SHOULD BE ABLE TO DETERMINE IF A TCASII INSTRUCTION SHOULD BE FOLLOWED, ESPECIALLY WHEN ATC JUST ISSUED THE TFC INVOLVED AND WHAT TO EXPECT. UNTIL THAT HAPPENS WE CAN ONLY EXPECT MORE PROBS FROM TCASII.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.