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Attributes | |
ACN | 233160 |
Time | |
Date | 199301 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ded |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 13500 msl bound upper : 14000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dab |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 3600 flight time type : 1700 |
ASRS Report | 233160 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While flying a load of skydivers in VFR conditions, I reported my climb to 13500 ft to daytona approach. They responded with something to the effect of 'climb to 13500 ft approved, report 1 min prior to drop.' as I reported 1 min prior, they questioned my altitude. I reported 13800 ft and correcting. On my next load, while on jump run (approximately 30 mins later) my altitude again was almost 14000 ft. A thin broken layer had developed and I was attempting to maintain VFR above the cloud. ATC again questioned my altitude and worried that if I could not maintain 13500 ft, jumping would be suspended. As I got to the ground the drop zone manager advised me that ATC had called on the phone to complain about my altdevs. Our LOA with daytona, specifies 13500 ft as the normal altitude for jumping. I did not request a higher altitude, but was VFR. ZJX controls the airspace above 11000 ft and coordinates us with daytona beach approach. I should have warned daytona that I was going to have to climb slightly higher before just doing it, so they could in turn request this from jacksonville. In the future I will pay more attention to altitude and respect the agreements set forth between the drop zone and ATC.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: JUMP PLANE PLT EXCEEDS ALT CLRNC FLYING ABOVE CLOUD LAYER.
Narrative: WHILE FLYING A LOAD OF SKYDIVERS IN VFR CONDITIONS, I RPTED MY CLB TO 13500 FT TO DAYTONA APCH. THEY RESPONDED WITH SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF 'CLB TO 13500 FT APPROVED, RPT 1 MIN PRIOR TO DROP.' AS I RPTED 1 MIN PRIOR, THEY QUESTIONED MY ALT. I RPTED 13800 FT AND CORRECTING. ON MY NEXT LOAD, WHILE ON JUMP RUN (APPROX 30 MINS LATER) MY ALT AGAIN WAS ALMOST 14000 FT. A THIN BROKEN LAYER HAD DEVELOPED AND I WAS ATTEMPTING TO MAINTAIN VFR ABOVE THE CLOUD. ATC AGAIN QUESTIONED MY ALT AND WORRIED THAT IF I COULD NOT MAINTAIN 13500 FT, JUMPING WOULD BE SUSPENDED. AS I GOT TO THE GND THE DROP ZONE MGR ADVISED ME THAT ATC HAD CALLED ON THE PHONE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT MY ALTDEVS. OUR LOA WITH DAYTONA, SPECIFIES 13500 FT AS THE NORMAL ALT FOR JUMPING. I DID NOT REQUEST A HIGHER ALT, BUT WAS VFR. ZJX CTLS THE AIRSPACE ABOVE 11000 FT AND COORDINATES US WITH DAYTONA BEACH APCH. I SHOULD HAVE WARNED DAYTONA THAT I WAS GOING TO HAVE TO CLB SLIGHTLY HIGHER BEFORE JUST DOING IT, SO THEY COULD IN TURN REQUEST THIS FROM JACKSONVILLE. IN THE FUTURE I WILL PAY MORE ATTN TO ALT AND RESPECT THE AGREEMENTS SET FORTH BTWN THE DROP ZONE AND ATC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.