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Attributes | |
ACN | 235159 |
Time | |
Date | 199302 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 11600 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors enroute airway : atl |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
ASRS Report | 235159 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1500 vertical : 600 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were inbound to atl on the rome arrival about 20 NM northwest on the 313 degree radial at 12000 ft and 300 KIAS. The captain was flying the medium large transport and I was the PNF. I received a radio call from atl approach control which I could not understand. I thought it was something about slowing to 210 KTS, so I asked the captain if he thought that's what approach wanted. He said no. I then asked approach control to repeat their transmission. At this time the captain started a descent to 10000 ft as he thought that was what approach control had said. Atl approach came back and said slow to 210 KTS. I rogered their transmission, then noticed the captain was descending. I asked him if we were supposed to descend to 10000 ft and he replied yes. I was unsure and immediately asked atl approach what altitude we were supposed to be at. Approach control seemed unsure and finally said 11000 ft. We started leveling at 11000 ft and we received a TA on the TCASII. This TA quickly went to an RA which showed a 4000 FPM rate of climb to avoid a collision. As the captain started the climb I radioed atl approach that we were climbing for a TCASII RA. I noticed an medium large transport Y at our 12 O'clock who appeared to be climbing out after departing atl. Atl approach control quickly came back and told us to turn to 090 degrees. We started the turn and at about 600 ft of climb to 11600 ft the RA disappeared completely. Between our climb and turn, and the medium large transport Y level off at 10000 ft, we never got closer than 1500 ft. One of the contributing factors to this incident was the very busy radio xmissions on atl approach control's frequency. When 1 controller is forced to work that many aircraft at once and anything out of the ordinary happens, then problems snowball. Probably the medium large transport Y would have leveled off at 10000 ft and we would have been at 11000 ft and TCASII would have kept us apart. But at one time at least one pilot in our cockpit thought approach control had cleared us to 10000 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG FLC MISHEARS CLRNC. DSNDS, RECEIVES TCASII RA.
Narrative: WE WERE INBOUND TO ATL ON THE ROME ARR ABOUT 20 NM NW ON THE 313 DEG RADIAL AT 12000 FT AND 300 KIAS. THE CAPT WAS FLYING THE MLG AND I WAS THE PNF. I RECEIVED A RADIO CALL FROM ATL APCH CTL WHICH I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND. I THOUGHT IT WAS SOMETHING ABOUT SLOWING TO 210 KTS, SO I ASKED THE CAPT IF HE THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT APCH WANTED. HE SAID NO. I THEN ASKED APCH CTL TO REPEAT THEIR XMISSION. AT THIS TIME THE CAPT STARTED A DSCNT TO 10000 FT AS HE THOUGHT THAT WAS WHAT APCH CTL HAD SAID. ATL APCH CAME BACK AND SAID SLOW TO 210 KTS. I ROGERED THEIR XMISSION, THEN NOTICED THE CAPT WAS DSNDING. I ASKED HIM IF WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DSND TO 10000 FT AND HE REPLIED YES. I WAS UNSURE AND IMMEDIATELY ASKED ATL APCH WHAT ALT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE AT. APCH CTL SEEMED UNSURE AND FINALLY SAID 11000 FT. WE STARTED LEVELING AT 11000 FT AND WE RECEIVED A TA ON THE TCASII. THIS TA QUICKLY WENT TO AN RA WHICH SHOWED A 4000 FPM RATE OF CLB TO AVOID A COLLISION. AS THE CAPT STARTED THE CLB I RADIOED ATL APCH THAT WE WERE CLBING FOR A TCASII RA. I NOTICED AN MLG Y AT OUR 12 O'CLOCK WHO APPEARED TO BE CLBING OUT AFTER DEPARTING ATL. ATL APCH CTL QUICKLY CAME BACK AND TOLD US TO TURN TO 090 DEGS. WE STARTED THE TURN AND AT ABOUT 600 FT OF CLB TO 11600 FT THE RA DISAPPEARED COMPLETELY. BTWN OUR CLB AND TURN, AND THE MLG Y LEVEL OFF AT 10000 FT, WE NEVER GOT CLOSER THAN 1500 FT. ONE OF THE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS TO THIS INCIDENT WAS THE VERY BUSY RADIO XMISSIONS ON ATL APCH CTL'S FREQ. WHEN 1 CTLR IS FORCED TO WORK THAT MANY ACFT AT ONCE AND ANYTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY HAPPENS, THEN PROBS SNOWBALL. PROBABLY THE MLG Y WOULD HAVE LEVELED OFF AT 10000 FT AND WE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT 11000 FT AND TCASII WOULD HAVE KEPT US APART. BUT AT ONE TIME AT LEAST ONE PLT IN OUR COCKPIT THOUGHT APCH CTL HAD CLRED US TO 10000 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.