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Attributes | |
ACN | 236392 |
Time | |
Date | 199303 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sjc |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sjc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 5500 |
ASRS Report | 236392 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Sjc 7 departure SID. Started turn at .4 DME not 1.8 DME. Briefed departure thoroughly, however, both pilots had not been to sjc for at least 6 months -- 2 yrs PF (copilot) had it in mind to start turn to 110 degrees before 1.8 DME not after. Tracked oakland 124 degree radial instead of 121 degree radial. Captain placed oak VOR in PF side of FMC while PF placed 124 degree radial for filmore in PF side of FMC. 1 note: on sjc 7 departure SID, the oakland 121 degree radial is for reference and not part of the published departure. However, you cannot receive filmore 124 degree radial soon enough to track inbound without overshooting radial. So, you have to navigation off oakland VOR to avoid passing radial on 110 degree heading. Descending to 12000 ft, autoplt captured altitude, but failed to level off. Autoplt was disengaged and manually leveled at 11800 ft. Overshot final approach at lax runway 24R. Controller was giving vectors for localizer course, told 'maintain 210 KTS.' turn 30 degree bank onto final was not given in timely manner and subsequent heading to reintercept was given. Controller did not take into account aircraft speed. Note: controller expected us to call airport in sight for visual. Haze at lax prevented us from doing so. Reasons: after initial incorrect turn at sjc, PF lost composure. Rest of flight was terrible, trying to stay ahead of airplane and maintain professionalism. Having not been to southern california for some time had a little to do with it. The main reason was probably the FAA check airman sitting behind me scribbling like mad on his note pad.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG FLC TURNS TOO SOON ON SID. LATER HAS ALTDEV.
Narrative: SJC 7 DEP SID. STARTED TURN AT .4 DME NOT 1.8 DME. BRIEFED DEP THOROUGHLY, HOWEVER, BOTH PLTS HAD NOT BEEN TO SJC FOR AT LEAST 6 MONTHS -- 2 YRS PF (COPLT) HAD IT IN MIND TO START TURN TO 110 DEGS BEFORE 1.8 DME NOT AFTER. TRACKED OAKLAND 124 DEG RADIAL INSTEAD OF 121 DEG RADIAL. CAPT PLACED OAK VOR IN PF SIDE OF FMC WHILE PF PLACED 124 DEG RADIAL FOR FILMORE IN PF SIDE OF FMC. 1 NOTE: ON SJC 7 DEP SID, THE OAKLAND 121 DEG RADIAL IS FOR REF AND NOT PART OF THE PUBLISHED DEP. HOWEVER, YOU CANNOT RECEIVE FILMORE 124 DEG RADIAL SOON ENOUGH TO TRACK INBOUND WITHOUT OVERSHOOTING RADIAL. SO, YOU HAVE TO NAV OFF OAKLAND VOR TO AVOID PASSING RADIAL ON 110 DEG HDG. DSNDING TO 12000 FT, AUTOPLT CAPTURED ALT, BUT FAILED TO LEVEL OFF. AUTOPLT WAS DISENGAGED AND MANUALLY LEVELED AT 11800 FT. OVERSHOT FINAL APCH AT LAX RWY 24R. CTLR WAS GIVING VECTORS FOR LOC COURSE, TOLD 'MAINTAIN 210 KTS.' TURN 30 DEG BANK ONTO FINAL WAS NOT GIVEN IN TIMELY MANNER AND SUBSEQUENT HDG TO REINTERCEPT WAS GIVEN. CTLR DID NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ACFT SPD. NOTE: CTLR EXPECTED US TO CALL ARPT IN SIGHT FOR VISUAL. HAZE AT LAX PREVENTED US FROM DOING SO. REASONS: AFTER INITIAL INCORRECT TURN AT SJC, PF LOST COMPOSURE. REST OF FLT WAS TERRIBLE, TRYING TO STAY AHEAD OF AIRPLANE AND MAINTAIN PROFESSIONALISM. HAVING NOT BEEN TO SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA FOR SOME TIME HAD A LITTLE TO DO WITH IT. THE MAIN REASON WAS PROBABLY THE FAA CHK AIRMAN SITTING BEHIND ME SCRIBBLING LIKE MAD ON HIS NOTE PAD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.