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Attributes | |
ACN | 236810 |
Time | |
Date | 199303 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 125 msl bound upper : 31000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla tracon : lax tower : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other landing other |
Route In Use | arrival : profile descent arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 255 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 1570 |
ASRS Report | 236810 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe aircraft equipment problem : critical |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : declared emergency other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
As stated above at date and time, while operating as flight XXX, we lost communication with all facilities outside of our aircraft. Started with loss of communication with lax ARTCC as descent was being started on civet 3 profile descent. Initially we thought that we had missed a frequency, so we tried last frequency. Tried present and last frequencys on our other VHF communication. Tried 10-15 frequencys selected from high altitude chart. Tried to contact other company aircraft on company frequencys. Intermittently, we would regain 2-WAY communication with ATC, but then lose it again within a min or so. We did have it long enough to copy and comply with some radar vectors and altitude assignments. We also received our clearance for the profile descent, our clearance for the ILS 25L, and a lax tower transmission on guard (121.5) clearing us to land on runway 25L. We also set code 7600 on our transponder, and used the TCASII and visual clearing to maintain separation with other aircraft during the approach and landing. After landing and clearing the runway, we regained communication with the tower, ground control and company, but lost it again prior to parking at the gate. Subsequent telephone contact with lax tower and RAPCON confirmed that they had received our transponder code 7600 and that they were satisfied that we had followed the received instructions and the applicable portions of far 91.185 and ATC procedures -- emergency correctly, and recommended that we should have also attempted contact with them on 121.5. We agree, but wonder if it would have helped in our generally communication-failed situation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF MLG ACR ACFT EXPERIENCED RADIO COM FAILURE DURING DSCNT FROM HIGH ALT RESULTING IN FOLLOWING LOST COM PROC TO LNDG.
Narrative: AS STATED ABOVE AT DATE AND TIME, WHILE OPERATING AS FLT XXX, WE LOST COM WITH ALL FACILITIES OUTSIDE OF OUR ACFT. STARTED WITH LOSS OF COM WITH LAX ARTCC AS DSCNT WAS BEING STARTED ON CIVET 3 PROFILE DSCNT. INITIALLY WE THOUGHT THAT WE HAD MISSED A FREQ, SO WE TRIED LAST FREQ. TRIED PRESENT AND LAST FREQS ON OUR OTHER VHF COM. TRIED 10-15 FREQS SELECTED FROM HIGH ALT CHART. TRIED TO CONTACT OTHER COMPANY ACFT ON COMPANY FREQS. INTERMITTENTLY, WE WOULD REGAIN 2-WAY COM WITH ATC, BUT THEN LOSE IT AGAIN WITHIN A MIN OR SO. WE DID HAVE IT LONG ENOUGH TO COPY AND COMPLY WITH SOME RADAR VECTORS AND ALT ASSIGNMENTS. WE ALSO RECEIVED OUR CLRNC FOR THE PROFILE DSCNT, OUR CLRNC FOR THE ILS 25L, AND A LAX TWR XMISSION ON GUARD (121.5) CLRING US TO LAND ON RWY 25L. WE ALSO SET CODE 7600 ON OUR XPONDER, AND USED THE TCASII AND VISUAL CLRING TO MAINTAIN SEPARATION WITH OTHER ACFT DURING THE APCH AND LNDG. AFTER LNDG AND CLRING THE RWY, WE REGAINED COM WITH THE TWR, GND CTL AND COMPANY, BUT LOST IT AGAIN PRIOR TO PARKING AT THE GATE. SUBSEQUENT TELEPHONE CONTACT WITH LAX TWR AND RAPCON CONFIRMED THAT THEY HAD RECEIVED OUR XPONDER CODE 7600 AND THAT THEY WERE SATISFIED THAT WE HAD FOLLOWED THE RECEIVED INSTRUCTIONS AND THE APPLICABLE PORTIONS OF FAR 91.185 AND ATC PROCS -- EMER CORRECTLY, AND RECOMMENDED THAT WE SHOULD HAVE ALSO ATTEMPTED CONTACT WITH THEM ON 121.5. WE AGREE, BUT WONDER IF IT WOULD HAVE HELPED IN OUR GENERALLY COM-FAILED SIT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.