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Attributes | |
ACN | 237740 |
Time | |
Date | 199303 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : edds |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 3500 agl bound upper : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : edds |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 237740 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : became reoriented |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On second leg, following an ocean crossing to amsterdam, had heard about notorious NDB to runway 8 and took great pains to brief it. Got turned to a short final and got behind while configuring. Caught back up prior to FAF. Due to unusual flight director confign to fly NDB and fatigue, got high on final where you started at 1100 ft AGL 3.2 DME from the end of the runway. Got 'sink rate' GPWS call as we caught up. Floated a bit but got it down and stopped with room to spare. Mon morning quarterbacking finds a book required landing rollout of 5700 ft on this 8366 ft runway. Also, although we have to maintain 2400 ft MSL to the FAF, the minimum 2100 ft MSL visual descent point is nearly coincidental, thereby necessitating a high rate of descent if at 2400 ft prior to FAF or, better yet, a planned descent from 3500 ft MSL to cross FAF at 2400 ft in a continuing descent. What we really need to do is end the madness or multiple leg international flts (with oceanic xings) or develop stricter duty limitations to penalize the practice.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A WDB ACR GOT A GPWS WARNING IN APCH INTO EDDS.
Narrative: ON SECOND LEG, FOLLOWING AN OCEAN XING TO AMSTERDAM, HAD HEARD ABOUT NOTORIOUS NDB TO RWY 8 AND TOOK GREAT PAINS TO BRIEF IT. GOT TURNED TO A SHORT FINAL AND GOT BEHIND WHILE CONFIGURING. CAUGHT BACK UP PRIOR TO FAF. DUE TO UNUSUAL FLT DIRECTOR CONFIGN TO FLY NDB AND FATIGUE, GOT HIGH ON FINAL WHERE YOU STARTED AT 1100 FT AGL 3.2 DME FROM THE END OF THE RWY. GOT 'SINK RATE' GPWS CALL AS WE CAUGHT UP. FLOATED A BIT BUT GOT IT DOWN AND STOPPED WITH ROOM TO SPARE. MON MORNING QUARTERBACKING FINDS A BOOK REQUIRED LNDG ROLLOUT OF 5700 FT ON THIS 8366 FT RWY. ALSO, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN 2400 FT MSL TO THE FAF, THE MINIMUM 2100 FT MSL VISUAL DSCNT POINT IS NEARLY COINCIDENTAL, THEREBY NECESSITATING A HIGH RATE OF DSCNT IF AT 2400 FT PRIOR TO FAF OR, BETTER YET, A PLANNED DSCNT FROM 3500 FT MSL TO CROSS FAF AT 2400 FT IN A CONTINUING DSCNT. WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS END THE MADNESS OR MULTIPLE LEG INTL FLTS (WITH OCEANIC XINGS) OR DEVELOP STRICTER DUTY LIMITATIONS TO PENALIZE THE PRACTICE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.