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Attributes | |
ACN | 238266 |
Time | |
Date | 199304 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lax airport : lgb |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 4500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax tower : bos |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 15 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 238266 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flying for the first time with an elderly doctor, who holds an ATP and a current BFR, from lgb to cma through los angeles sfra at the required 4500 ft MSL. We had asked for the shoreline route at 2500 ft, but were denied. I was highly distracted by the doctor's difficulty in trimming the aircraft and in holding a heading/tracking the smo 132 degree radial. After passing smo we did not go far enough northwest before turning toward vtu, and did not descend from 4500 ft. I was unaware of entering the TCA until we received word from magoo approach that lax approach had called. Part of my distraction resulted from my exasperation at the substandard performance of my highly qualified and experienced student. Second, this was my first trip through the los angeles sfra (I usually am IFR in turbines). My unfamiliarity kept me glued to the TCA chart, but the charting is thoroughly confusing, even to this experienced IFR pilot. You are required to be on a separate panel of the chart, which does not show the need to immediately descend to below 4000 ft before turning northwest. Finally, why must the TCA be down to 4000 ft in that area, when 5000 ft would seem more reasonable in light of the 4500 ft sfra.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INSTRUCTOR WITH ATP STUDENT FLYING IN THE SVFR AREA INADVERTENTLY ENTERS TCA.
Narrative: FLYING FOR THE FIRST TIME WITH AN ELDERLY DOCTOR, WHO HOLDS AN ATP AND A CURRENT BFR, FROM LGB TO CMA THROUGH LOS ANGELES SFRA AT THE REQUIRED 4500 FT MSL. WE HAD ASKED FOR THE SHORELINE RTE AT 2500 FT, BUT WERE DENIED. I WAS HIGHLY DISTRACTED BY THE DOCTOR'S DIFFICULTY IN TRIMMING THE ACFT AND IN HOLDING A HDG/TRACKING THE SMO 132 DEG RADIAL. AFTER PASSING SMO WE DID NOT GO FAR ENOUGH NW BEFORE TURNING TOWARD VTU, AND DID NOT DSND FROM 4500 FT. I WAS UNAWARE OF ENTERING THE TCA UNTIL WE RECEIVED WORD FROM MAGOO APCH THAT LAX APCH HAD CALLED. PART OF MY DISTR RESULTED FROM MY EXASPERATION AT THE SUBSTANDARD PERFORMANCE OF MY HIGHLY QUALIFIED AND EXPERIENCED STUDENT. SECOND, THIS WAS MY FIRST TRIP THROUGH THE LOS ANGELES SFRA (I USUALLY AM IFR IN TURBINES). MY UNFAMILIARITY KEPT ME GLUED TO THE TCA CHART, BUT THE CHARTING IS THOROUGHLY CONFUSING, EVEN TO THIS EXPERIENCED IFR PLT. YOU ARE REQUIRED TO BE ON A SEPARATE PANEL OF THE CHART, WHICH DOES NOT SHOW THE NEED TO IMMEDIATELY DSND TO BELOW 4000 FT BEFORE TURNING NW. FINALLY, WHY MUST THE TCA BE DOWN TO 4000 FT IN THAT AREA, WHEN 5000 FT WOULD SEEM MORE REASONABLE IN LIGHT OF THE 4500 FT SFRA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.