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Attributes | |
ACN | 238665 |
Time | |
Date | 199303 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ord tower : hlg |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Heavy Transport |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller radar : 12 |
ASRS Report | 238665 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Air carrier X was advised he was following a heavy jet by 6 mi. Air carrier X asked if we were getting a transponder reply on the heavy and the reply was 'yes.' air carrier X said his TCASII was not showing any traffic. At that time, the preceding traffic was 6 mi ahead, 1000 ft below the TCASII airplane. The preceding aircraft was not TCASII equipped. It is obvious that the TCASII system still has limitations. Having traffic directly ahead of and 1000 ft below would be the most potentially dangerous traffic. This TCASII aircraft did not even display traffic much less could it have issued any commands had traffic actually been a factor. The system is giving the users a dangerous false sense of security.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X TCASII FAILED TO DETECT HVY JET 6 MI AHEAD. ACFT EQUIP PROB TCASII.
Narrative: ACR X WAS ADVISED HE WAS FOLLOWING A HVY JET BY 6 MI. ACR X ASKED IF WE WERE GETTING A XPONDER REPLY ON THE HVY AND THE REPLY WAS 'YES.' ACR X SAID HIS TCASII WAS NOT SHOWING ANY TFC. AT THAT TIME, THE PRECEDING TFC WAS 6 MI AHEAD, 1000 FT BELOW THE TCASII AIRPLANE. THE PRECEDING ACFT WAS NOT TCASII EQUIPPED. IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE TCASII SYS STILL HAS LIMITATIONS. HAVING TFC DIRECTLY AHEAD OF AND 1000 FT BELOW WOULD BE THE MOST POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS TFC. THIS TCASII ACFT DID NOT EVEN DISPLAY TFC MUCH LESS COULD IT HAVE ISSUED ANY COMMANDS HAD TFC ACTUALLY BEEN A FACTOR. THE SYS IS GIVING THE USERS A DANGEROUS FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.