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Attributes | |
ACN | 240265 |
Time | |
Date | 199304 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : tus |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 9000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : tus |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 240265 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were trying to resolve a split throttle/EPR problem on #2 engine that occurred on takeoff roll. We had a wing body out placard MEL that necessitated #1 engine bleed and #1 pack off. The captain was flying and talking to maintenance control. I was talking to ATC and relaying instructions to him, setting altitude alerters, etc. ATC called unknown target 11 O'clock, altitude unknown. A glider went by off our left wing at 1/2 mi. I looked through the windshield and saw another one at 12 O'clock. I alerted captain and pushed on the yoke at the same time. ATC didn't paint this guy. ATC said there was glider activity at this outlying airport, but they were usually notified when glider activity was actually taking place. They had not been notified. Even though we weren't on the arrival, our vector closely paralleled it. This arrival procedure should be changed or these gliders need xponders or talk to ATC. This is basically an unsafe situation that has been going on for yrs without an accident. We proceeded to the airport without any further problems. The split EPR problem was caused by a small plastic bag stuck exactly on the P2 T2 probe. We had noticed small debris whipped up by the wind but never associated this FOD with the problem. If it had been snowing or freezing we probably would have figured it out, but not at 90 degrees F outside.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG HAS AN NMAC WITH A SAIL PLANE.
Narrative: WE WERE TRYING TO RESOLVE A SPLIT THROTTLE/EPR PROB ON #2 ENG THAT OCCURRED ON TKOF ROLL. WE HAD A WING BODY OUT PLACARD MEL THAT NECESSITATED #1 ENG BLEED AND #1 PACK OFF. THE CAPT WAS FLYING AND TALKING TO MAINT CTL. I WAS TALKING TO ATC AND RELAYING INSTRUCTIONS TO HIM, SETTING ALT ALERTERS, ETC. ATC CALLED UNKNOWN TARGET 11 O'CLOCK, ALT UNKNOWN. A GLIDER WENT BY OFF OUR L WING AT 1/2 MI. I LOOKED THROUGH THE WINDSHIELD AND SAW ANOTHER ONE AT 12 O'CLOCK. I ALERTED CAPT AND PUSHED ON THE YOKE AT THE SAME TIME. ATC DIDN'T PAINT THIS GUY. ATC SAID THERE WAS GLIDER ACTIVITY AT THIS OUTLYING ARPT, BUT THEY WERE USUALLY NOTIFIED WHEN GLIDER ACTIVITY WAS ACTUALLY TAKING PLACE. THEY HAD NOT BEEN NOTIFIED. EVEN THOUGH WE WEREN'T ON THE ARR, OUR VECTOR CLOSELY PARALLELED IT. THIS ARR PROC SHOULD BE CHANGED OR THESE GLIDERS NEED XPONDERS OR TALK TO ATC. THIS IS BASICALLY AN UNSAFE SIT THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YRS WITHOUT AN ACCIDENT. WE PROCEEDED TO THE ARPT WITHOUT ANY FURTHER PROBS. THE SPLIT EPR PROB WAS CAUSED BY A SMALL PLASTIC BAG STUCK EXACTLY ON THE P2 T2 PROBE. WE HAD NOTICED SMALL DEBRIS WHIPPED UP BY THE WIND BUT NEVER ASSOCIATED THIS FOD WITH THE PROB. IF IT HAD BEEN SNOWING OR FREEZING WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE FIGURED IT OUT, BUT NOT AT 90 DEGS F OUTSIDE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.