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Attributes | |
ACN | 243880 |
Time | |
Date | 199306 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : den |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 2000 agl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : den tower : roa |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 243880 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 5000 vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
During a night visual approach to runway 17L at den airport, we observed an airplane taking the runway for takeoff on runway 35L. This was indicated to us when we saw his landing lights come on at the start of the takeoff roll, and by a call from den tower stating that the airplane was taking off to the north and that he would be making a turn to the northwest (away from us). Runways 17L and 35L are staggered a bit and separated by about 1/2 mi. Since we knew he was taking off, and tower told us he would turn northwest, we had no reason to feel that there would be a conflict with this opposite direction traffic. After the traffic lifted off, we heard den tower ask him if he had us in sight. He said yes, and tower told him to maintain visual separation and cleared him for a turn to the northeast (a turn directly at us). We saw the airplane bank toward us, and all 3 of us in the cockpit had the immediate impression that a traffic conflict would result. We each began calculating where we could go to take evasive action. This was somewhat difficult because the airplane was configured to land and had little excess speed to maneuver. The best choice to take was a descent, not a happy thought at 2000 ft AGL in the blackness north of den. As we watched the geometry develop, we realized that he would pass ahead (about 1 mi) and above (about 400 ft) of us. At the same time, our TCASII called out an RA to 'monitor vertical speed.' (we were already beginning to descend.) we feel that in the visual environment, particularly at night, no pilot can accurately predict flight path and closure when approaching head-on. Den tower made a very poor choice to turn this traffic in front of us, and it appears that it was done without regard to established separation criteria for 2 IFR aircraft. The only way for this maneuver to be done safely in the visual environment would be to wait until we had passed abeam and the turn accomplished behind us. I cannot describe in this report the very uncomfortable feeling we had when the aircraft ahead began its climbing turn into us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: POTENTIAL CONFLICT SENSED BY TCASII WITH ARR DEP TFC IN XING TFC SIT. PROX OF APCH RTE.
Narrative: DURING A NIGHT VISUAL APCH TO RWY 17L AT DEN ARPT, WE OBSERVED AN AIRPLANE TAKING THE RWY FOR TKOF ON RWY 35L. THIS WAS INDICATED TO US WHEN WE SAW HIS LNDG LIGHTS COME ON AT THE START OF THE TKOF ROLL, AND BY A CALL FROM DEN TWR STATING THAT THE AIRPLANE WAS TAKING OFF TO THE N AND THAT HE WOULD BE MAKING A TURN TO THE NW (AWAY FROM US). RWYS 17L AND 35L ARE STAGGERED A BIT AND SEPARATED BY ABOUT 1/2 MI. SINCE WE KNEW HE WAS TAKING OFF, AND TWR TOLD US HE WOULD TURN NW, WE HAD NO REASON TO FEEL THAT THERE WOULD BE A CONFLICT WITH THIS OPPOSITE DIRECTION TFC. AFTER THE TFC LIFTED OFF, WE HEARD DEN TWR ASK HIM IF HE HAD US IN SIGHT. HE SAID YES, AND TWR TOLD HIM TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION AND CLRED HIM FOR A TURN TO THE NE (A TURN DIRECTLY AT US). WE SAW THE AIRPLANE BANK TOWARD US, AND ALL 3 OF US IN THE COCKPIT HAD THE IMMEDIATE IMPRESSION THAT A TFC CONFLICT WOULD RESULT. WE EACH BEGAN CALCULATING WHERE WE COULD GO TO TAKE EVASIVE ACTION. THIS WAS SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT BECAUSE THE AIRPLANE WAS CONFIGURED TO LAND AND HAD LITTLE EXCESS SPD TO MANEUVER. THE BEST CHOICE TO TAKE WAS A DSCNT, NOT A HAPPY THOUGHT AT 2000 FT AGL IN THE BLACKNESS N OF DEN. AS WE WATCHED THE GEOMETRY DEVELOP, WE REALIZED THAT HE WOULD PASS AHEAD (ABOUT 1 MI) AND ABOVE (ABOUT 400 FT) OF US. AT THE SAME TIME, OUR TCASII CALLED OUT AN RA TO 'MONITOR VERT SPD.' (WE WERE ALREADY BEGINNING TO DSND.) WE FEEL THAT IN THE VISUAL ENVIRONMENT, PARTICULARLY AT NIGHT, NO PLT CAN ACCURATELY PREDICT FLT PATH AND CLOSURE WHEN APCHING HEAD-ON. DEN TWR MADE A VERY POOR CHOICE TO TURN THIS TFC IN FRONT OF US, AND IT APPEARS THAT IT WAS DONE WITHOUT REGARD TO ESTABLISHED SEPARATION CRITERIA FOR 2 IFR ACFT. THE ONLY WAY FOR THIS MANEUVER TO BE DONE SAFELY IN THE VISUAL ENVIRONMENT WOULD BE TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAD PASSED ABEAM AND THE TURN ACCOMPLISHED BEHIND US. I CANNOT DESCRIBE IN THIS RPT THE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE FEELING WE HAD WHEN THE ACFT AHEAD BEGAN ITS CLBING TURN INTO US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.