Runway hold line located in an unexpected location leads reporter to taxi slightly past it.

Attributes
ACN	244006
Time
Date	199306
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : roa
State Reference	VA
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Dusk
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Light Transport
Flight Phase	ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 65 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 20
ASRS Report	244006
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation
Situations
Airport	other physical facility

Narrative:

Taxiing to runway 6 at roa. We didn't see the hold short line for runway 6 until we were on it. We stopped then, all wheels were behind the line but the nose was 2 ft over. The hold short line needs to be better defined. Mainly because it is not at the end of the runway but 500 ft prior to the end (not where you would expect it). The chart shows it very small and contains no notes about it. Further there are remains of 2 other hold short lines that were not well enough removed. Solution: 1) define the hold short line for runway 6 at roa better. 2) put a note in the commercial charts about it. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: reporter described the location of the hold line he crossed. He added that the location has been modified, the hold line improved and a sign located next to the taxiway to help notice it. There is also another sign to the east that says 'hold line 300 ft ahead.' he thinks the problem has been solved.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: RWY HOLD LINE LOCATED IN AN UNEXPECTED LOCATION LEADS RPTR TO TAXI SLIGHTLY PAST IT.

Narrative: TAXIING TO RWY 6 AT ROA. WE DIDN'T SEE THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 6 UNTIL WE WERE ON IT. WE STOPPED THEN, ALL WHEELS WERE BEHIND THE LINE BUT THE NOSE WAS 2 FT OVER. THE HOLD SHORT LINE NEEDS TO BE BETTER DEFINED. MAINLY BECAUSE IT IS NOT AT THE END OF THE RWY BUT 500 FT PRIOR TO THE END (NOT WHERE YOU WOULD EXPECT IT). THE CHART SHOWS IT VERY SMALL AND CONTAINS NO NOTES ABOUT IT. FURTHER THERE ARE REMAINS OF 2 OTHER HOLD SHORT LINES THAT WERE NOT WELL ENOUGH REMOVED. SOLUTION: 1) DEFINE THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 6 AT ROA BETTER. 2) PUT A NOTE IN THE COMMERCIAL CHARTS ABOUT IT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH REPORTER REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: RPTR DESCRIBED THE LOCATION OF THE HOLD LINE HE CROSSED. HE ADDED THAT THE LOCATION HAS BEEN MODIFIED, THE HOLD LINE IMPROVED AND A SIGN LOCATED NEXT TO THE TXWY TO HELP NOTICE IT. THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER SIGN TO THE E THAT SAYS 'HOLD LINE 300 FT AHEAD.' HE THINKS THE PROB HAS BEEN SOLVED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.