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Attributes | |
ACN | 245771 |
Time | |
Date | 199307 |
Day | Thu |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : den |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : den |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 245771 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We descended into denver from the west on the profile descent. We were vectored onto the downwind for runway 26R. Approach control asked us to report when we had in sight an air carrier medium large transport southeast of the airport. Although we could see him on TCASII we did not have visual contact. Approach control turned us to heading 170 (base leg) and advised us that the other medium large transport did have us in sight and asked us to report when we had him in sight. The TCASII was warning a conflict at about the same time that we made visual contact. We reported visual contact and we were then cleared for the visual to runway 26R. The captain clicked off the autoplt and descended and turned. Once in the turn I could no longer see the other medium large transport but the captain said he could. I feel the captain used the maximum amount of bank that safety would allow but we still flew through the runway 26R final approach course. In my opinion we were held too long on the 170 degree heading. By the time we were cleared for the visual approach we were in a position that a normal turn would overshoot the runway 26R final approach course. The other plane had been on a different approach control frequency and when we both checked in on tower the other crew was very upset about our overshoot. I'm sure it was not the controller's intention to put us in a 'conflict' it was certainly never our intention to be there! We lined up with our runway and landed uneventfully.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: 2 MLG'S HAVE A CONFLICT WHEN 1 OF THEM OVERSHOOTS THE TURN TO FINAL APCH. BOTH ACFT MAKING APCHS TO PARALLEL RWYS.
Narrative: WE DSNDED INTO DENVER FROM THE W ON THE PROFILE DSCNT. WE WERE VECTORED ONTO THE DOWNWIND FOR RWY 26R. APCH CTL ASKED US TO RPT WHEN WE HAD IN SIGHT AN ACR MLG SE OF THE ARPT. ALTHOUGH WE COULD SEE HIM ON TCASII WE DID NOT HAVE VISUAL CONTACT. APCH CTL TURNED US TO HDG 170 (BASE LEG) AND ADVISED US THAT THE OTHER MLG DID HAVE US IN SIGHT AND ASKED US TO RPT WHEN WE HAD HIM IN SIGHT. THE TCASII WAS WARNING A CONFLICT AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME THAT WE MADE VISUAL CONTACT. WE RPTED VISUAL CONTACT AND WE WERE THEN CLRED FOR THE VISUAL TO RWY 26R. THE CAPT CLICKED OFF THE AUTOPLT AND DSNDED AND TURNED. ONCE IN THE TURN I COULD NO LONGER SEE THE OTHER MLG BUT THE CAPT SAID HE COULD. I FEEL THE CAPT USED THE MAX AMOUNT OF BANK THAT SAFETY WOULD ALLOW BUT WE STILL FLEW THROUGH THE RWY 26R FINAL APCH COURSE. IN MY OPINION WE WERE HELD TOO LONG ON THE 170 DEG HDG. BY THE TIME WE WERE CLRED FOR THE VISUAL APCH WE WERE IN A POS THAT A NORMAL TURN WOULD OVERSHOOT THE RWY 26R FINAL APCH COURSE. THE OTHER PLANE HAD BEEN ON A DIFFERENT APCH CTL FREQ AND WHEN WE BOTH CHKED IN ON TWR THE OTHER CREW WAS VERY UPSET ABOUT OUR OVERSHOOT. I'M SURE IT WAS NOT THE CTLR'S INTENTION TO PUT US IN A 'CONFLICT' IT WAS CERTAINLY NEVER OUR INTENTION TO BE THERE! WE LINED UP WITH OUR RWY AND LANDED UNEVENTFULLY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.